Safe and concellable?

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I am looking for a safe and concellable weapon. I have a xd sub compact and love it but i wish I could carry a round in the chamber without it being cocked. External safeties are nice and I prefer not to have a hammer or decocker. Any Ideas?

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Well.. theres nothing unsafe about the carrying the XD with a round in the chamber, just as long as you've got a good holster covering the trigger guard and with good retention. Especially considering that XDs have the grip safety, unlike glocks. Lots of people do it all the time.
 
My son has an XD & if it were non safe I would not want him carry it.
I am a died in the wool, bald headed, old, 1911 only (for me at least), range safety officer starting to show real signs of autharitis. If I have to move away from my 1911 platform I will go to the XD.
The gun will not go off by itself.
As hexi said above;
Good quality gunbelt.
Good quality holster. (I know of no quality holster maker that leaves the trigger & guard exposed)
Put it on, cover it up & leave it alone. It will not be seen & sure will not shoot itself w/ one in the barrel.
 
I agree. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER! As much as I personally dislike XD's they are safer than Glock's. But then again all guns are safe in safe hands. Your XD will be fine with one in the chamber. If you feel more comfortable with a external safety check out the Taurus and H&K compact models. I carry an H&K Cocked and locked SA. No safety on and it is perfectly safe.
 
As I recall, the XD is a striker fired pistol.

I thought the idea behind the striker fired design was to partially cock for a lighter trigger pull but not cock it so far that the gun would fire if internal parts broke? Does anyone know if the XD (or glock/SW/name your striker-fired gun) will discharge if the striker is released from its normal at rest/half cocked position?

If it won't fire it isn't really cocked and you aren't carrying it cocked with a round in the chamber. If it will... well... many people carry cocked&locked safely. In either case: keep your finger off the trigger unless you want the gun to go off.
 
I thought the idea behind the striker fired design was to partially cock for a lighter trigger pull but not cock it so far that the gun would fire if internal parts broke?
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I think that is how a Glock works. I believe that the XD fully retracts the striker when you charge it. This explains why the XD trigger feels better (to me) than the Glock's trigger. My understanding is that the XD is single-action, but Springfield calls it something different for marketing purposes.

For what it's worth, when I carry my XD-9, it has one in the chamber.

Does anyone know if the XD firing pin safety disengages with the trigger or with the grip safety?
 
IIRC the Glock is around 30 percent pre-cocked so it is considered double action only.
 
i carry an xd of some sort everyday when i am in the states and there is no other way that i would carry it, mine always has a rd in the chamber, there isn't anythig unsafe bout it, this issue has been brought up alot lately and i don't see the problem. which is funny as another member brought up look at glock they are even less "safe" and they have been carried and are carried by many many coutless members here on thr.
 
Thanks, a lot for your responses. I love the way this gun shot right out of the box (38 rounds in the 10 ring from 7 yds.). I have confidence that i will get used to it with experience.
 
The new Ruger SR9, striker fired, double action only, with external thumb safety, 17 + 1 rounds and it's significantly thinner than the XD.
 
Bebop, I encourage you to chamber a snap cap or empty case and carry around the house for a while til you get familiar with having it on your side. Draw and reholster while practicing the 4 rules and get familiar with it.

Demonstrating to yourself that the gun will not fire unless and until the trigger and grip safety are engaged, you may then feel comfortable with a round in the chamber.

Did I mention the 4 rules of safe gun-handling? ;)
 
Cominolli Safety

Hopefully this won't start a firestorm, as I know many disagree.

However, IF you want a sub-compact gun with a manual safety, I have yet to find anything better than a Glock 26/27 with a Cominolli external safety installed. See http://www.cominolli.com/ourproducts.html

People often say: there are plenty of guns with manual safeties out there... I looked for a long time, it's not true in the subcompact world! HK USPc is huge by comparison. Best comparable I could find is a CZ 2075 RAMI, which is about the same size, and can be carried hammer back with safety on (cocked and locked), OR DA first shot. It can't be carried hammer down, safety on. The other option is a 1911-style gun, maybe an EMP... Still cocked and locked.

Beretta is coming out with a manual safety subcompact based on the PX4 Storm. Still bigger than a 26/27, but not by too much. For me this one was out because the safety works the opposite of the way I've trained for way too long. Safety "down" de-cocks the gun and puts on the safety, "up" is ready to fire. Most safeties are "down" to fire. If you don't care about this, I'll wager it will be a great gun.

I think as a defensive weapon, a Glock is hard to beat - tough, reliable, shoots well. Whether or not you want an external safety is a purely personal decision, but if you do, I still think Glocks rule the subcompact market with the 26/27 w/Cominolli.

Good luck, and be safe.

FranklyTodd

ps: my other carry gun is a Smith M&P340 .357. No hammer to worry about, and no safety. However the trigger is a LOOOOONNNNGGG (but smooth) 10lb pull, so I feel perfectly safe carrying it. That's another option. My Glock 26/27 I'm carrying w/chamber empty until I get the safety installed (SHOORRRRT 5.5LB pull).
 
I'm still pondering the whole question of safeties on CCW guns. I grew up with guns that all had safeties. Later on I encountered some revolvers and they didn't but they were the odd ducks. For a utility handgun (hunting, dispatching animals, target practice, etc) my preference is to have a good manual safety or better yet a decocker.

CCW guns are another situation altogether. It seems like they will only be used in high stress situations with zero time for fumbling and very high consequences for failure.

The way I've been thinking about it is K.I.S. Keep it simple.

I actually bought a striker-fired pistol, my first semi-auto without any sort of manual safety, after carefully considering the realities of a personal defense weapon. If I need to defend myself with lethal force I want to minimize the chance (and consequences) of fumbling.

Part of my thining was that you really can't trust manual safeties anyway. You can't go yanking on the trigger just because you think the manual safety is engaged. You need trigger finger control. So choose a gun where trigger finger control is good enough.

The reason I took that approach, rather than the 1911 cocked and locked, is that I fire a pretty broad range of guns recreationally and they all have little quirks. Trying to thumb off a safety that isn't there won't hurt me but working the safety as though it was a 1911 on a gun with a slide-mounted safety might leave me with a brick instead of a gun. If I only had one gun, or one type of gun, I wouldn't be nearly as concerned.

Thoughts?
 
I agree with others in that ultimately, it's the person handling a handgun that determines whether it is "safe" or not.

I feel some guns have a greater margin for error. Double action revolvers have a relatively long and heavy trigger pull. "Most safe" would be a DAO concealed-hammer model such as the S&W Centennials.

Of course, you posted in the semi-auto forum...
 
The new Ruger SR9, striker fired, double action only, with external thumb safety, 17 + 1 rounds and it's significantly thinner than the XD.
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with little reviews and a very limited track record, and being so new i would be very hesitant about buying one until they have been out for a while first. i am very interested in the new ruger but i am gonna wait a while.
 
with little reviews and a very limited track record, and being so new i would be very hesitant about buying one until they have been out for a while first. i am very interested in the new ruger but i am gonna wait a while.
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Now with 150 rounds through my SR9, I can tell you, I am more than satisfied with the pistol.

The SR9 may not be for everyone, but with my smallish hands, it sure works for me.

There have been enough postings to know that the SR9 has the usual Ruger reliability.

If you want a double action only, high capacity, striker fired pistol, with a thumb safety, IMO you cant go wrong with the SR9.

Just don't buy one that's been handled a lot and dry fired without the magazine in place.

The trigger on my un-handled SR9 is better than I expected and the high grip axis keeps the muzzle flip to a minimum.

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i'm glad you like the sr9 and it seems like a sweet pistol that will fill a hole in the market, how ever i have to shoot alot more than 150rds through one to see if it is gonna be reliable to my standards, i can generallyt get a good feel for a gun and a trigger in about a box of ammo, but i like to put them through there paces for quite a while, especially if it is gonna be a hd/ or ccw.
 
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