Sako extractor Remington 700

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For it or against it? why or why not?
This is not for me or in behalf of anyone else. I know what I know and what I like. This is purely a discussion.
 
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I like the 3 rings of steel that a stock Remington provides.

Online , Savage extractors have been forced out of position with case head failure. Letting gas escape.

Dont know, if possible with a Sako extractor?
https://rifleshooter.com/2016/02/installing-a-sako-extractor-in-a-remington-700-model-seven/

Used if needing a different size bolt face, i guess. Dont have one modified, or a need for one.

http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?62316-Sako-extractor-questions


Must read post 15 here》 http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?74157-Sako-extractors-again


the vast majority of Custom and Factory actions that come with a Sako Extractor have it shielded so that it cannot become flying shrapnel straight down a raceway. For instance, I have a Bruno Right Bolt left port where the Sako is hidden by the top of the reciever ring when in battery. The reason it can do this is because the case ejects out the left side.

On a typical Remington conversion, when you close the bolt, you can look right down the right raceway and see that Sako Extractor. Upon a catastrophic failure, it has a clear path right into the shooters forehead.

I have told the story several times, so I won't repeat it. There is a shooter in the Houston Area that has a Sako still in his brain.

The actual Sako Rifle has a shield that guards against this.

If someone want to put a Sako in a Remington, be my guest. But what you are doing is canceling out what is recognized as one of the safest actions ever built when you cut that slot in the bolt, and place that extractor in there.

That is a fact, and cannot be argued..
 
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If you want the Sako style extractor, buy a gun that comes with a Sako style extractor. The Remington extractor is a less than ideal design, but in practice it rarely fails. Not worth the trouble and expense.
 
I've never understood the appeal of the Sako extractor, they seem kinda chincy compared to an M16 or mini M16 style. The cost of 'smithing a factory bolt would probably justify opting for a ptg bolt with the extractor option of your choosing.
 
Years ago I built a 6mm PPC on a Remington 700 223 action. Opened the 223 bolt face and used a Sako extractor which takes a little milling on the bolt. Worked out just fine and did what it was supposed to do. Keep in mind, going to the Sako extractor was a matter of need.

Ron
 
Can you explain need?
Vern called it. Once I opened up the original Remington 223 bolt face the original Remington extractor could no longer be used. The popular alternative was to mill a slot in the Remington bolt and install the Sako extractor. The Remington short action .223 bolt face comes in right around 0.384" and needs opened up to accommodate the 6mm PPC (actually we were fire forming Lapua 220 Russian cases) and needed a bolt face diameter around 0.448" allowing 0.008" over. Thus a "need" for a different extractor. The gentlemen teaching me at the time was a Mr. James Messer and it was on his recommendation I used the Sako extractor. This proved to work out just fine.

Ron
 
M24 extractors would OCCASIONALLY (rarely) fail on us in the Army, but they always gave signals (such as weak extraction) before they did. Replacements aren't expensive or difficult to replace- I always kept 2 in my deployment kit and several in my range box as an instructor, and I still have most of them.. I would also like to point out that you would be hard pressed to find 700's of any type that get used harder or shot more than an Army M24 or Marine M40.
 
M24 extractors would OCCASIONALLY (rarely) fail on us in the Army, but they always gave signals (such as weak extraction) before they did. Replacements aren't expensive or difficult to replace- I always kept 2 in my deployment kit and several in my range box as an instructor, and I still have most of them.. I would also like to point out that you would be hard pressed to find 700's of any type that get used harder or shot more than an Army M24 or Marine M40.
Instructor at the school at benning?
 
well the change to a sako style extractor does give gun smiths extra work, but are very seldom needed in the real shooting world. eastbank.
 
i heard range 66e got upgraded after they "changed" the course critria back in 07. havent been to jfk in awhile.
66E is automated downrange now, and each lane is controlled at each firing line by the instructor for that lane. That means that in theory each lane can be firing a different table at the same time, and no one needs to "work the pits" downrange- instead they are training on other tasks.
 
The Rem 700 bolt is designed, in event of a case failure, to expand and seal the breach. When you mill a cut in the bolt to accommodate a SAKO or other type of claw extractor, you defeat the safety feature. Like eastbank says, it gives the gunsmith extra work (yay $150) and isn't necessary.
 
Years ago I built a 6mm PPC on a Remington 700 223 action. Opened the 223 bolt face and used a Sako extractor which takes a little milling on the bolt. Worked out just fine and did what it was supposed to do. Keep in mind, going to the Sako extractor was a matter of need.
I had a similar experience building a 6mm PPC on a Rem 700 action except my original rifle was a .308 Win. Talking to many benchresters, I learned the accepted practice was to install a Sako extractor & silver-solder a reducing ring inside the bolt face. It seems to be a common procedure & a number benchrest gunsmiths offered to do it for about $150 by just sending them the bolt. On one shooter's recommendation, I decided to use the bolt "as-is". Extraction is about 90% reliable. If case doesn't extract, closing & re-opening a second time gets the case. That's acceptable for a target rifle. I did a lot of searching & was surprised that no one makes an after market, over sized Rem 700 extractor ring with ejector cut-out considering the popularity of that action for rifle building.
 
I had a similar experience building a 6mm PPC on a Rem 700 action except my original rifle was a .308 Win. Talking to many benchresters, I learned the accepted practice was to install a Sako extractor & silver-solder a reducing ring inside the bolt face. It seems to be a common procedure & a number benchrest gunsmiths offered to do it for about $150 by just sending them the bolt. On one shooter's recommendation, I decided to use the bolt "as-is". Extraction is about 90% reliable. If case doesn't extract, closing & re-opening a second time gets the case. That's acceptable for a target rifle. I did a lot of searching & was surprised that no one makes an after market, over sized Rem 700 extractor ring with ejector cut-out considering the popularity of that action for rifle building.
Yeah, the .308 guns and a host of other short actions like the 308 have a 0.473 bolt face diameter. Some guys like to silver solder a reducing ring and run with the existing extractor. Some like you have really good success while others have lesser success. Since I started with the 223 bolt face and did my own work I wasn't paying a gunsmith but got to do the work under the eye of a very good gunsmith. I have given some thought to calling someone like PTG who turns out custom bolts and asking them to make me a bolt if I send them the action. Then too, I have not shot that rifle in a good many years.

Ron
 
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