Sales Tax issues

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{I originally posted this in another thread, thought I'd put it here, in it's own thread.}

On a related topic, here's another thing to think about when deciding to buy online vs. local store: Sales tax.

Currently there seems to be a misconception that buying online from an out of state dealer means you don't have to pay any sales tax, whereas if you buy it from a store locally you do, so you're saving money if you buy online.

Now while the out of state dealer won't collect tax from you if you're not a resident of his state, you are in fact supposed to report these out of state purchases to your own state's department of revenue and pay the sales tax on it to them.

[waits for everyone to stop laughing]

Okay, although technically you are required to do this it's currently more of an honour thing, and truth be told most states' depts of revenue don't have the means to investigate it if you don't. However, most of the state governments have gotten together and are about to put into place a streamlined sales tax program that allows sellers to collect tax on purchases made anywhere in the U.S., outside of their own states. This means that you'll be paying the same sales tax on a rifle whether you bought it online from a different state or from your local gun shop.

Sort of takes away that particular advantage of buying online, eh?

Here's a link to Indiana's Dept of Revenue website, which gives some more info. You can check with your own state's Dept of Revenue and ask if they're going to be participating in this new program.

http://www.in.gov/dor/streamlined/index.html

but which state would get the sales tax? The buyers state or the sellers state?

The seller would collect the sales tax and report it to the buyer's home state government, at the buyer's state's sales tax rate. This would replace the current, virtually non-existant honour-system reporting of sales tax to his state government by the buyer himself.

Up until this point, various states' tax laws have been incompatible with each other and it's been too confusing for a seller in one state to collect tax on behalf of other states. They're moving to simplify general sales tax law across the board, however. This way a seller can register to collect tax for another state's dept. of Revenue with little or no fuss and file returns electronically.

Currently a seller isn't required to register to collect and report other states' sales tax, but if he voluntarily registers I believe his business is eligible for certain tax incentives that might entice him.

That's about all I know at the moment, just thought it might be of interest since a lot of folks buy guns, and other things, online.
 
What I DON'T pay when I drive down I-5 to Portland, but get ripped off by Her Highness Queen Christine:barf: :barf: :barf: to the tune of 8-9 cents on every dollar on everything I buy here in the Puget Sound region.

This strikes me as interfering in interstate commerce, folks. Commerce Clause time?
 
I think it is time that this tax inequity be corrected

and I, for one, believe this should happen. I believe that internet commerce has robbed a lot of state treasuries of tax money they should have. Yes, I am serious. This is not a joke. I find it sad that it appears the majority of people in this country find the word "tax" a nasty word. I believe that we need to collect taxes, as a society, in order to function well. Taxes are what pays for our highways, libraries, law enforcement, armed forces, etc, etc, etc.
 
I think it is time that this tax inequity be corrected
and I, for one, believe this should happen. I believe that internet commerce has robbed a lot of state treasuries of tax money they should have. Yes, I am serious. This is not a joke. I find it sad that it appears the majority of people in this country find the word "tax" a nasty word. I believe that we need to collect taxes, as a society, in order to function well. Taxes are what pays for our highways, libraries, law enforcement, armed forces, etc, etc, etc.

No one is against taxes, but the sane people are against EVERYTHING being taxed, all the time. Do you have any idea how much actual tax you already pay? If you did, you'd put a lid on the "gee I want more taxes" talk. I'm always suspcious of people who want me to cough up more taxes to pay for every failed social program, aid to foreign despotic regimes and bunk the Federal Government can dream up. You honestly don't think the current tax system and its use in government is a disgusting perversion of its original intent?
 
The word "tax" has been a dirty word since its creation. It will continue to be a dirty word till there is no longer a reason for a tax. In otherwords its with us till the end of time as I can never envision a time when a government won't tax its citizens. It;s a 4 letter dirty word minus 1 letter.
 
If they ever find a way to effectively apply sales tax interstate purchases via the internet, mark my works, there will be blood in the streets. No one will stand for it. About the only people who want it are the state tax collectors and the gouge-happy brick and mortar businesses that sell at a ridiculously high markup and think if people have to pay sales tax on internet based sales that suddenly they'll get all that business back.

Aint gonna happen.
 
History

Didn't our forefathers dump a bunch of tea in Boston Harbor because they didn't want to pay a 3% tax???

Today, most all states are twice that rate in sales tax alone. And they have state income taxes, sometimes even city income taxes, gasoline taxes, cigarette taxes and the feds have income taxes, excise taxes. Not only that we have to pay property taxes for the schools to turn our children into dimwitted socialists.

Sheesh, next week I'd vote from my rooftop, but I've nothing against my two neighbors who are within half a mile of me. If I moved back to town...

The only good politician is a dead politician.
 
"They" may not be able to find a viable way to collect sales tax from "under the radar" internet businesses and sales, but "they" can easily get taxes from established, licensed businesses, including Ebay and such. All “they” need to do is start dunning the business based on sales for whatever state their records show the product was sold in, or for the state the business is based in. It would just take an annual audit to accomplish.
Care to guess how fast the business would “pass on” the expense?

(And of course the business will have to raise their prices to cover the extra "bookwork" to implement this)
 
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Hey Diamondback, figure this one out.

While your government HOSES you ( a resident) at 8 percent sales tax.

They do NOT charge me any sales tax when I show my Montana ID at the checkout stand.

We shop in Spokane (3hrs away) quite regularly and I laugh everytime. Why its this way is beyond me but All I have to do is provide my ID and NO TAX!


P.S. NO SALES TAX IN MONTANA EITHER
 
its called "Use Tax". and yes they have been "working" on a system to collect it on internet and mail-order sales. They want those lost millions in their pocket, I suppose so they can give more free handouts to indigents & illegals or whoever
 
I find it sad that it appears the majority of people in this country find the word "tax" a nasty word. I believe that we need to collect taxes, as a society, in order to function well. Taxes are what pays for our highways, libraries, law enforcement, armed forces, etc, etc, etc.
As well as the ATF and countless other things that you would probably consider a waste of money. I think its more sad that someone would find being taxed a loveable concept and not just a necessary evil that must be used in moderation. Personally I'm taxed out. If there isn't enough money the solution isn't more income, its less spending.
 
It's b/c states like Texas that refuse to implement income tax gets pretty much ALL their revenue from sales tax. That way everyone gets equally screwed for run away spending. So if you don't buy, the state gets no revenue. And the GOP would rather raid your house for spare change than slap on an income tax.
 
Now Now. politicians make good door holders, paperweights, door stops and street sweepers. No need to do away with them when they do have a function.

Most certainly, you jest.

I wouldn't let most politicians in the game right now hold my coat.

If it's one thing that politicians do understand it's self preservation. Once elected or appointed it's in their own interests to secure their positions with any means necessary. Nothing is untaxed forever.
 
Then I guess you'd have to resort to private sales face to face, also no paperwork.

I suspect that any online sellers registering for this tax thing would get a nasty surprise after a while and discover that their customers have gone elsewhere.

This will encourage alot of local dealers who choose to exploit the FFL system by gauging the people who shop with them. Fortunately where I am now there is no shortage of competition so prices are competitive when you factor in tax/transfer but where I used to live in NY there was only one dealer within an hour he was open maybe three or four hours a day four days a week and charged through the roof for everything. the place was never cleaned or vacuumed and he knew people didn't have much choice. Also to make it even better to get a pistol permit in NYS you need to buy the pistol first leave it with the FFL for the six or more months that it takes them to "process" it and pay for storage fees of a reasonable five bucks a month.:barf: and even then you aren't guaranteed a permit and if denied you have to sell it back for whatever the dealer is willing to pay.

people need to stop avoiding taxes and start voting for people who don't believe in them and voicing their opinion. writing to your elected officials does work, only if everyone else does.
 
Hey moewadle, how much of your surplus income are you voluntarily donating to your state government?

As I see it, the only difference between government revenuers and mafia stooges collecting 'protection' money is this: The mafia puts a lot less effort into convincing me that they're doing me a favor.
 
Now while the out of state dealer won't collect tax from you if you're not a resident of his state, you are in fact supposed to report these out of state purchases to your own state's department of revenue and pay the sales tax on it to them.

[waits for everyone to stop laughing]

Well, I'm not laughing, since I am one of the few that keeps track throughout the year (via Microsoft Money) and include the tax owed when I file. Christian ethics demand it, and I sleep better at night.

Of course, that doesn't mean I like it.

Even more interesting, in Wisconsin if you buy something in another state and paid less tax than you would have paid had you bought it in Wisconsin, you are required to pay the difference, including the county and city taxes. You can read about it here.

Montana continues to attract me, but not only for this reason. This is Wisconsin, after all.
 
While your government HOSES you ( a resident) at 8 percent sales tax.

They do NOT charge me any sales tax when I show my Montana ID at the checkout stand.

We shop in Spokane (3hrs away) quite regularly and I laugh everytime. Why its this way is beyond me but All I have to do is provide my ID and NO TAX!


P.S. NO SALES TAX IN MONTANA EITHER

Haha thats funny:neener: :neener:
 
Which part of the consitution is it again that gives states authority to tax interstate commerce?
 
Here is TN we have 9.5% sales tax. It definitely gives me reason to consider my next gun purchase on the internet or not.

1) Pay the 25 dollars shipping, the 25 dollars background check, and the cost of the gun.

or

2) Pay the almost 10% tax and the cost of the gun with 10 dollar background check.

Assuming $350 gun:
1) 50 + 350 = $400
2) 35 + 10 + 350 = $395
Decision option 2

Assuming $700:
1) 50 + 700 = $750
2) 70 + 10 + 700 = $ 780
Decision option 1
 
I still believe that we need taxes

and I won't argue that the politicos have a lot of problems. But everytime you get in your car and drive on a public road, or avail yourself of public service...swimming pools, municipal golf courses, public hunting lands, public shooting ranges like I go to for free, police and fire protection, etc, etc, etc we all know those are paid for with taxes. As far as the people who say we are wasting so much tax money on welfare if you read the stats I think you will find that is a very small proportion of the public tax bill. Look, however, at what so-called national defense costs. Check the figures on the price of an Aircraft Carrier or the daily cost of the Iraq war and on and on what the Pentagon is spending. It is always popular to complain about taxes and no one will dare be heard supporting them but...I will tell you...I have been to a few other countries and with her problems and all I will take good old USA over any other. And, yes I do believe in having a social umbrella with benefit programs for the needy such as food stamps, etc. Yes, they are abused some. But, you will find nothing created by humans that can be perfectly run with no mistakes or abuses.
By the way, our forefathers did not have the tea party strictly against tax, IMHO, it was against being taxed without representation. :)
 
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