Savage 12BVSS or Rem 700VLS ?

[HERNOD]

I've now narrowed my varmint/target rifle selection down to these (2) models. I really like the accutrigger, but I know I can probably get the Remmy's trigger redone for about $50

Other than this, which would you consider to be the better choice/most accurate of these models ?

Thanks

 

[ocabj]

I'm a Savage fan so I'd take the Savage. The 12BVSS is a great rifle. Stainless steel, with varmint contour barrel, and a great laminate stock. Plus, barrel swaps are simple. Edge definitely to the Savage.

 

[dakotasin]

buy the vls and do the trigger yourself. the 700 vls is an outstanding rifle.

 

[Jim Watson]

I just picked up my BVSS-S and my real serious rifle shooting friend has one on the way.
Good looking rifle and when I get tired of wringing out the .308 it will be simple to change calibers.

I shoot a little Long Range F-class and while the big dollar rifles are on Remington, Winchester, or small shop supercustom actions, the stock or lightly modified rifles slightly favor Savage over Remington. Either will do the job.

 

[swingset]

Savage, for me.

Better trigger, cheaper, just as accurate and you can with a new barrel, new bolthead, $15 wrench and a headspace guage rebarrel the gun in another caliber in 15 minutes, and go back to the original caliber if you wish. Try that with a 700.

 

[halvey]

I'd get the 700. The accutrigger is ok, not sure about all the fuss. My 700 is getting boring because it shoots without trying.

I'd get the Savage if I was looking for a caliber not currently available in the Savage, but otherwise I'd stick with what works.

 

[Rockstar]

Like dakota said, if you can read and follow simple instructions, you don't need to pay to have a Remmy trigger adjusted. On the other hand, just be aware that the VLS stock needs to be pillar bedded and the barrel needs to be free-floated.

 

[halvey]

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[robfogle]

I have both Savage 12bvss and the Remington 700 VLS in 308win.
On your choice you need to conceder several things. Most of these are personal preference.

What bullet weight you will be shooting..

Remington barrel twist is 1:12 max bullet weight recommended is 168 gr.
Savage barrel twist is 1:10 can shoot just about any weight bullet available for the .308

Materials that the rifle is made out of:

Remington VLS: Blued chrome molly
Savage 12bvss: Stainless Steel

Savage 12BVSS
PROS:
Cost is less than the Rem 700 VLS
Accu-trigger
Button rifled barrel ( is supposed to be more accurate than the Hammer forged Rem's)
Stock is Pillar Bedded
You are able to do a quick change on the barrel/bolt with minimum tools

Cons:
Less after market option parts available, stocks ,triggers, action parts
Slightly heaver than the Rem VLS
A lot fewer Gunsmiths that will do custom work on it

Remington 700 VLS
PROS:
Tons of aftermarket parts
Many Gunsmiths that will do just about anything you want
Action - bolt easer to dissemble and clean

CONS:
Trigger is very heavy and not easily adjustable, Mine was 7lbs stock
Has a very long throat (this is really only important if you are reloading and/or shooting for accuracy)
Hammer forged barrel ( is considered, by some to be inferior to other methods of manufacturing)
You need to at least Pillar and/or Glass bed the stock


In my opinion the Savage is the better "out of the box" cost for what you get. I have made several mods to my Rem 700 and it now shoots on par and maybe slightly better. But that was after replacing the trigger and Glass/Pillar bedding the stock.

In Short if you are looking for a good hunting rifle either will do just as good as the other with the Savage having the edge. If you are striving for the ultimate in accuracy the Rem 700 VLS will be easer to get it to where you want because of the aftermarket parts and gunsmith availability.

 

[halvey]

While I like the 700 better, I would look at the Savage because of the 1:10 twist. That said, I shoot 175's better in my 700 than the 168's.

 

[coyote204]

The 700 VLS. The trigger is adjustable with a little know how and mine is very accurate out of the box. I picked up one a few months ago in .204 Ruger and can shoot inside an inch at 200 yds all day with factory Hornady 32gr V-max.

Here's a link to one article on adjusting Rem. 700 triggers:

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/RemingtonTriggers.asp

 

[Sactown]

I have a pre-accutrigger BVSS. Shoots like a champ. Another satisfied customer here.

 

[cbsbyte]

A positive about the Savage is that one can easily change out barrels, so one can shoot mulitable calibers with the same rifle. There are several gunsmiths that can do outstanding work on these guns. They can customize the gun, slick up the bolt action and add new triggers.

 

[BulletFan]

Savage all the way!!!

Check out my Range report on the Savage 12FV in Rifle Country, just posted it today.

Matt

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

While I like the Remingtons...
My sensibilities dictate that Savage is definitely the better buy.

I'd rather have SS, rather have laminate, rather have interchangeable barrels, rather have button rifling, rather have their twist, rather have their accu-trigger (or reg. Savage trigger for that matter) and these bonuses all come on a rifle priced lower than the Remmy.

No question, in my mind.