Yes, they rotate - but the statement that I made was:AR bolts most certainly do rotate. Only 22.5 degrees, but they rotate nonetheless.
If that's incorrect - make me smarter.he AR10/AR15, as examples, don't use bolt rotation to aid in primary extraction
That was my first negative reaction as well, based on my experience with trunnion wear on the CETME/G3 class of rifle (and those designs use rollers specifically to spread the impulse across a relatively large area). If the locking area for the bolt is in a barrel extension or some other replaceable element - then Savage will have done a good.The bigger question is the peening of surfaces with the bolt thrust focused on a tiny surface area with radiused engagement surfaces. It works fine with hydraulic and pneumatic couplers, but a sharp impulse of thousands of pounds per square inch is a whole different animal.
I could get into an all weather scout platform, bush length barrel (16.5 inches) rifle in a .308 or in .350 Legend that can utilize off the shelf AR type magazines.
I can all but guarantee it won't run on AR magazines. More likely than not, it'll run on their propriety mags, maybe AICS mags if we're lucky.
So, the videos were deleted and Savage's website got scrubbed. I hope somebody just "jumped the gun" and we'll hear more soon.
So, the videos were deleted and Savage's website got scrubbed. I hope somebody just "jumped the gun" and we'll hear more soon.
It is a fast(er) fire bolt action rifle and it is not clear what sort of magazine it uses or at least I missed it if so. I think it would be easier and require less training and practice to remain on target with rapid fire with a straight pull bolt action than a rotating bolt.
My experience has been that cycling a traditional bolt requires two distinct motions (up/back, forward/down), which can be ingrained to be pretty fluid but which can be flubbed in a hurry (especially if the bolt/ammo sticks anywhere along the way). I don't think that a straight-pull is FASTER, but I do think that it's more error-proof.With practice, a conventional bolt can be cycled pretty fast. Any time saved with a straight pull is going to be negligible.
Damn. Was really wanting to watch those videos. But based on what I’ve seen and read, I also have concerns about “crud” getting in the bearings and causing issues. If they were sealed bearings, I’d have more faith in the longevity and ease of maintainence.So, the videos were deleted and Savage's website got scrubbed. I hope somebody just "jumped the gun" and we'll hear more soon.
It looks like the Savage system uses a mechanical linkage tied to the bolt handle to force the rollers out from the bolt body, meaning that the shooter will know that the gun's not in battery, just as with a traditional turnbolt, so there is that. Most bolts these days seem to have multiple holes and orifices (gas venting or other), so I dunno if the Savage will be more prone to ingesting goombah that any other design. Time will tell, I guess. They just need to get their act together and put it on the street.But based on what I’ve seen and read, I also have concerns about “crud” getting in the bearings and causing issues. If they were sealed bearings, I’d have more faith in the longevity and ease of maintainence.
I'll agree to disagree on that theory. I shot a K31 in CMP Vintage Military competitions for two years thinking that would be true. I found that it wasn't.
Don't get me wrong, I love Swiss straight pulls and think they are great rifles, but you still have to remove your hand from the trigger and break your cheek weld (at least I did) while operating the bolt so it wasn't an advantage for me during rapid fire. With practice, a conventional bolt can be cycled pretty fast. Any time saved with a straight pull is going to be negligible.
No kidding - the lightest model is over eight pounds before optic or rings!All three options are quite chunky, especially for a rifle that sports an aluminum receiver.
No kidding - the lightest model is over eight pounds before optic or rings!