Tommy Gunn
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Anyone here got one of these? How do they shoot? I have been thinking that the .30-30 rifle barrel over a 12 gauge shotgun barrel would be a good canoe gun.
Savage Model 24F-12 Rifle/Shotgun Combination Gun.
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Anyone here got one of these? How do they shoot? I have been thinking that the .30-30 rifle barrel over a 12 gauge shotgun barrel would be a good canoe gun.
Art Eatman
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Don't see why not. Its utility would depend on how well you can shoot with the existing sights. It's accurate enough for what you might want a .30-30 for. (Deer to 75 or 100 yards, e.g.) It's a bit heavy for an easy swing on fast-moving upland birds.
Not knocking your idea, but a more expensive alternative would be an inexpensive shotgun of whatever sort, and then carry some sort of 6" revolver in a 50-caliber ammo can. I've canoed with my camera and a pistol and other stuff in the ammo can, since the gasket protects well against "canoe slosh".
FWIW, Art
Not knocking your idea, but a more expensive alternative would be an inexpensive shotgun of whatever sort, and then carry some sort of 6" revolver in a 50-caliber ammo can. I've canoed with my camera and a pistol and other stuff in the ammo can, since the gasket protects well against "canoe slosh".
FWIW, Art
Greybeard
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I've had one with .222 over 20 mag. since mid 70s. It served back in West Texas unscoped as the "always gun" in Indian blanket seat covers in pick'emup trucks. I liked the versatility, especially for coyotes and pheasant. Art is on definitely on target with the "heavy" part if you need to tote it very far.
My model 24 has since been scoped and slinged (and treated much more gingerly BTW) for use primarily as coyote-calling gun. Rifle barrel is usually much more accurate than most shooters. If I were to get another one, I would think along the line of an '06 or maybe .308 if available ... A little more range and versatility ...
My model 24 has since been scoped and slinged (and treated much more gingerly BTW) for use primarily as coyote-calling gun. Rifle barrel is usually much more accurate than most shooters. If I were to get another one, I would think along the line of an '06 or maybe .308 if available ... A little more range and versatility ...
Slingster
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Tommy:
You might want to consider the EAA/Baikal IZH-94 I have for sale in the classifieds as an alternative:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23837
It's 12-ga over .308 Win and much better made than the Savage, in my opinion. It takes down like a typical break-action shotgun.
You might want to consider the EAA/Baikal IZH-94 I have for sale in the classifieds as an alternative:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23837
It's 12-ga over .308 Win and much better made than the Savage, in my opinion. It takes down like a typical break-action shotgun.
spectr17
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I'm looking for a good combo rifle/shotgun also.
I saw this post on 24 hour campfire about these rifles.
I saw this post on 24 hour campfire about these rifles.
Art Eatman
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7x57R is commonly available in most larger gunstores...Although it's loaded to around 40,000 CUP instead of 50,000, it's plenty good for deer to 200 yards.
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badgerrr
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One consideration twixt the Savage 24 & the IZH-94:
If you anticipate needing a quick follow up shot from the rifle barrel....you might ask yourself if you could live with the Savage 30-30 rather than the more substantial calibers of the IZH.
The rifle barrel is mounted on the bottom with the IZH and both Savage and IZH have extractors rather than ejectors. The IZH is MUCH more awkward loading the rifle barrel.
I have the 308/12gauge IZH and a Savage 24 22mag/20guage. I know where-of I speak. (But I bloody love both of them)
If you anticipate needing a quick follow up shot from the rifle barrel....you might ask yourself if you could live with the Savage 30-30 rather than the more substantial calibers of the IZH.
The rifle barrel is mounted on the bottom with the IZH and both Savage and IZH have extractors rather than ejectors. The IZH is MUCH more awkward loading the rifle barrel.
I have the 308/12gauge IZH and a Savage 24 22mag/20guage. I know where-of I speak. (But I bloody love both of them)
paynter2
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I have one in 30-30/20ga. I love it for deer hunting. Where I live the country is so rough that follow-up shots are uncommon. One shot - then he's either down or you're on the trail (assuming you hit in the first place).
I like this gun for deer hunting because I see lots of ruffed grouse in my deer woods. I usually shoot quite a few of them during deer season.
As posted above, it is heavy. but, I have a sling on mine and usually just walk old logging trails. I would describe my deer hunting as grouse hunting with the chance to see a buck. The Savage is just right for this type of hunting.
I like this gun for deer hunting because I see lots of ruffed grouse in my deer woods. I usually shoot quite a few of them during deer season.
As posted above, it is heavy. but, I have a sling on mine and usually just walk old logging trails. I would describe my deer hunting as grouse hunting with the chance to see a buck. The Savage is just right for this type of hunting.
I gave my grandfather a Savage in 223 over 20 gauge last year. I expected an inaccurrate rifle and a clumsy shotgun, but I was wrong. That rifle is as accurate as anything else I have shot. The whole thing is light and quick. The only problems he has complained of are selecteing the wrong barrel and it ejecting spent hulls too forcefully. He loves it, it is the only gun in his pickup now. It replaced a Model 70 243 and an 870 12 gauge. He put a small scope on it and has killed hogs, bobcats, coyotes, and stray dogs. He reports that nothing has moved more than three steps after being hit.
Got a M24V, it's a .357 mag over 20ga. The trigger is a bit heavy but it shoots very well. I load single shot pistol bullets in the mag brass so the over all length is well over anything you can put in a revolver, but it gives more velocity in the rifle barrel.
Piney Woods
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I have one of these in 223 over 12 gauge, and I love it. I bought it specifically for coyotes, to cover both near and far shots in one package. With a scope, the 223 barrel will shoot 1.5" groups at 100yds if I do my part. Right now, with a RedDot on it, it will put every shot in the black of a 100 yd rifle target. The shotgun barrel shoots to the same point of aim at 25 yds. The only downside is that it's kind of heavy.
The Rifleman
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I have one that is a .22 Mag over 20 Ga.
It has hunting scenes on both sides and I paid $350 cash for it because it was a neat little gun. The person that sold it to me needed money to support his family and his father bought it for him when he was 12 years old.
I found out later that Grice Gun Shop sells them new for $250
The Lever on the hammer points to the top for top barrel and bottom for bottom barrel. Not hard to remember.
They were sold as a jr hunter rifle here in Pennsylvania, with a scope in the 1970's for about $99
Lot's of hunters bought them for their children as a first gun.
I would love to have one in .222 or .223
Average value of one in fair condition is about $100 - $125 depending on buyer.
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/savage/savage24F20.asp
It has hunting scenes on both sides and I paid $350 cash for it because it was a neat little gun. The person that sold it to me needed money to support his family and his father bought it for him when he was 12 years old.
I found out later that Grice Gun Shop sells them new for $250
The Lever on the hammer points to the top for top barrel and bottom for bottom barrel. Not hard to remember.
They were sold as a jr hunter rifle here in Pennsylvania, with a scope in the 1970's for about $99
Lot's of hunters bought them for their children as a first gun.
I would love to have one in .222 or .223
Average value of one in fair condition is about $100 - $125 depending on buyer.
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/savage/savage24F20.asp
22LR/20ga
Have always thought the 22LR/20ga would be about the ideal one-gun meat getter. You can stash or carry a whole lot of .22, and 20ga will do anything a 12 will do, just not to the range that a 12 can do it. With slugs it will get deer or put down a bear if needed. I don't have one because there are so many guns and so little money!
Have always thought the 22LR/20ga would be about the ideal one-gun meat getter. You can stash or carry a whole lot of .22, and 20ga will do anything a 12 will do, just not to the range that a 12 can do it. With slugs it will get deer or put down a bear if needed. I don't have one because there are so many guns and so little money!
MCgunner
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Over the years, I've thought about a 24V, but really, for me, a nice little side by side like my new 20 gauge Spartan coach gun is pretty danged versatile. Out to 50 yards or a little beyond, I can put a slug in the boiler room of any larger animal. I can load one barrel with #3 buck and another with a slug for protection, or I can load it for small game/big game, etc, etc. It is a superior shotgun for wing shooting to any heavy 24V IMHO. It's got 20" barrels with supplied with four screw in chokes and it is very light, breaks down very short for storage (in my case, in a motorcycle top trunk). I've got to find some Breneke slugs to try in it or maybe some of those Remington Buckhammers, but it shoots foster slugs well, though you have to put a little Kentucky windage into it due to the regulation of the barrels. It certainly wouldn't be as effective as the 24V's rifle barrel out at any longer that 50-75 yards, though, but it's still a pretty versatile and very portable gun.
My uncle had a drilling that my cousin has now. It had twin 16 ga over an 8mmJR rifle barrel. That's an obscure caliber shooting a .318" (not the .323" of normal 8x57S) bullets AND it is rimmed, so he, not really being a gun guy anyway, can't shoot it for the rarity of the rounds. I've fired it in my youth, though, and it was accurate. You had a tang switch, safety on most guns, but you pulled it back and it was in shotgun mode, push it forward and a little sight flipped up on the rib, neat as hell. The safety was a little hard to use for a lefty, on the left side of the gun, was a little button that slide fore or aft. the gun was made by Sauer and Sons. He brought it back from Germany after the war, picked it up somewhere over there. I've priced one similar to it about 25 years ago and they wanted around 3K for that one.
If I had that old gun, I'd use it even if I had to paper patch .308 bullet cast bullets to load in it. It languishes in my cousin's closet if he hasn't sold the danged thing, knowing him. My uncle also brought back a PO8 Luger from the war, complete with a Nazi leather flap holster and spare mag pouch built in. I never got to fire that one.
My uncle had a drilling that my cousin has now. It had twin 16 ga over an 8mmJR rifle barrel. That's an obscure caliber shooting a .318" (not the .323" of normal 8x57S) bullets AND it is rimmed, so he, not really being a gun guy anyway, can't shoot it for the rarity of the rounds. I've fired it in my youth, though, and it was accurate. You had a tang switch, safety on most guns, but you pulled it back and it was in shotgun mode, push it forward and a little sight flipped up on the rib, neat as hell. The safety was a little hard to use for a lefty, on the left side of the gun, was a little button that slide fore or aft. the gun was made by Sauer and Sons. He brought it back from Germany after the war, picked it up somewhere over there. I've priced one similar to it about 25 years ago and they wanted around 3K for that one.
If I had that old gun, I'd use it even if I had to paper patch .308 bullet cast bullets to load in it. It languishes in my cousin's closet if he hasn't sold the danged thing, knowing him. My uncle also brought back a PO8 Luger from the war, complete with a Nazi leather flap holster and spare mag pouch built in. I never got to fire that one.- Status
