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We've been waiting for it. One radio personality here in Portland, OR. says the idea is to get Bill back into the white house, for good or ill.

I find myself in quite the pickle. As a foolish child, I once swore to vote for the first woman to run for the office. (I DON"T think so) Do I now vote against the Democrat or do I continue to vote my principles, Libertarian.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061204/ap_on_el_pr/white_house2008&printer=1

Clinton seeks support for likely '08 run
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton met on Sunday with New York's Democratic governor-elect to solicit his support for her likely White House bid, the latest indication she is stepping up plans to join a growing field of potential contenders for 2008.

One rival, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh (news, bio, voting record), announced Sunday he was establishing an exploratory committee to raise money for a possible presidential run. He expects to decide over the Christmas holidays whether to seek his party's nomination.

A top aide to Clinton said he did not know when the former first lady would decide about pursuing the presidency or set up an exploratory committee. Clinton aides, however, have begun interviewing possible campaign staffers in recent weeks, Howard Wolfson said.

Clinton, who long has topped national polls of Democratic hopefuls, spent two hours with Gov.-elect Eliot Spitzer at his Manhattan home.

"We just had a great, wide-ranging meeting on so many issues that affect the city, the state and the country," Clinton said as she left the meeting.

Last week she contacted leading state lawmakers, including Democratic Reps. Charles Rangel and Nita Lowey, and the state party chairman, Denny Farrell, to assess her prospects and seek their support.

Clinton's Senate colleague, Chuck Schumer, told reporters Sunday that Clinton had called him to arrange a meeting next week. But he was coy about the purpose of the get-together.

"She wants to sit down and talk next week, which we're going to do. It could be about legislation. I have no idea what it's about, and until we sit down and talk that's all I'm going to say about it," said Schumer. He added, "I think she'd make a very good president but let's wait and see. Everyone's sort of jumping the gun."

Wolfson told The Associated Press that Clinton "is reaching out to her colleagues in the New York delegation and asking for their advice and counsel and their support if she decides to make a run."

Clinton easily won re-election last month to a second term in the Senate. Wolfson noted that Clinton long has said she would begin actively considering a presidential bid after that election. "That process has begun," Wolfson said.

Thirteen months before the first votes are cast in the nomination process, the presidential jockeying has intensified in both parties.

Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack announced his bid for the Democratic nod last week; Bayh is taking the initial steps; and others, such as the party's 2004 ticket of Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, are weighing possible runs.

The effort comes as Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, a rising star in Democratic politics, enjoys a wave of publicity and momentum around a possible White House bid.

Obama, a clear challenger to Clinton's front-runner status, has appeared before huge crowds around the country, promoting his best-selling book, "The Audacity of Hope."

He met with aides in Chicago last week and they expect him to disclose his intentions about a 2008 run in a matter of weeks.

On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani have established exploratory committees; so, too, has long-shot candidate Rep. Duncan Hunter (news, bio, voting record) of California. Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is moving toward a possible bid and Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record) is expected to announce soon about his intentions.

Bayh, appearing on ABC's "This Week," acknowledged he was not well-known outside Washington and Indiana, but said he had the credentials necessary to be an effective president.

"As the people get to know me, I think we'll do very well. I've been a successful two-term governor with a record of delivering results. I now have national security experience from my presence in the Senate," he said. "Is this a little bit like David and Goliath? A little bit, but as I recall, David did OK."

Bayh, 50, has charted a relatively centrist course in the Senate. He has appearances scheduled this week in Iowa and New Hampshire, two states with early contests on the presidential campaign calendar. As of Sept. 30, he had about $10.5 million in his Senate campaign account, all of which can be transferred to a presidential committee.

Clinton, for her part, has as much as $13 million left from her Senate race, plus a vast network of donors and advisers led by her husband, former President Clinton.

Vilsack told ABC his candidacy would appeal to a broad range of voters in states not traditionally friendly to Democrats.

"I think it's important for Democrats to be able to expand. I think our party has got to expand the map," Vilsack said. "I think we can do this. I think I can do it. I think I have done it in my state."

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Associated Press writers Karen Matthews in New York and Marc Humbert in Albany, N.Y., contributed to this report.
 
My nightmare and I believe everyone else's on this forum, would be Hillary running against Mike Bloomberg. Who do you vote for? Both would confiscate your guns. It seems that these types of "choices" are what's available in our two party system. You're damned anyway you vote. It makes you feel disenchanted with our political system. I didn't vote for Perot.
 
At least Hillary has had the grace to wait more than a month after being re-elected to the Senate to tell New Yorkers to get stuffed and thanks for providing her with a salary while she tries to get a new job.

ChiefThunderStick: Don't worry about Bloomberg; the rest of the country recognizes that a Republican politician in New York City is just a Democrat who doesn't foam at the mouth as often as most.
 
Other than guns, Hillary is a slightly warmed over Republican. If she has the political savvy to keep "triangulating", and she almost certainly does, she's more dangerous to health care, civil liberties and the middle class than she is to gun owners.
 
I fear that now the pendulum has swung back to the left we (as gun owners) may have to just dig in our heels and try to hold onto what we've obtained in the last few years since both evils are often anti-gun. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Other than guns, Hillary is a slightly warmed over Republican. If she has the political savvy to keep "triangulating", and she almost certainly does, she's more dangerous to health care, civil liberties and the middle class than she is to gun owners.

She's a Republican the way Saul Alinsky was. Keep telling yourself she's harmless.
 
I fear that now the pendulum has swung back to the left we (as gun owners) may have to just dig in our heels and try to hold onto what we've obtained in the last few years since both evils are often anti-gun. I hope I'm wrong.

Now there's a winning strategy: Wait in your beachchair for the tsunami to sweep over you. Brother.
 
She's a Republican the way Saul Alinsky was. Keep telling yourself she's harmless.

He didn't say she was harmless. After acknowledging that she is anti-RKBA, he said
...she's more dangerous to health care, civil liberties and the middle class than she is to gun owners.

IMO, none of that can be construed as him stating, in any way, that Hillary Clinton is harmless.
 
Hillary is no "warmed-over Republican." Never was, never will be. That she would, as President, cut a wide swath is obvious. To think that she is not dangeorus to our gun rights, while she is "reforming" health care, is, to me, naive in the extreme. She and her camp followers are anti-gun to the marrow and would love to end private ownership of firearms--is there any real doubt about that?
 
She's the worst of all worlds, is what she is. She's a warhawk, gungrabber, AND ultraleftist big-government meddler.

Something to horrify everyone.
 
Ultraleftist? Not on the third planet out from the Sun.

She's DLC all the way. The Democratic Leadership Council is explicitly anti-regulation, anti-union and pro-globalization. They are squishy on things like the environment and women's rights and specifically support a strong pro-corporate agenda for the Democratic Party even if the membership, and they've said this several times, absolutely opposes it.

When the MCA came up Ms. Clinton was one of the architects of the plan to stop a filibuster. Her much-maligned health care plan during her husband's Administration was largely a give-away to the biggest health insurance companies. She was a lock-step supporter of the war in Iraq until the polls turned too far against it.

In short, she represents the Establishment-to-Right part of the Democratic Party. It's the part that has bitterly opposed the Progressive wing as exemplified by people like Kucinich and Dean. The only reason she's a Commienist is that the Republican strategists decided she had a shot at beating an un-named Republican. So they started the Slander Engine up early and kept it running.
 
Hilary acts warhawk to try and seem conservative. Hilary vs Godzilla, I'll take Godzilla.
 
HillaryCare may have been a give-away to certain corporate interests but that doesn't change the fact that it would hugely increase government power. Hillary is the carrier and projection of forty years of Feminist hopes. To believe she will be "squishy" on that subject seems blind to me. I can take no comfort in the fact that she is a pragmatic Leftist, with all that implies, rather than a beyond-the-fringe type like Kucinich or Dean.
 
I also think that the triangulating we see from Hillery is nothing but a political act to try to get elected president. Anyone who is fooled by this is simply not paying attention. Those around her want the ultra-leftists to be complaining about her being too far to the right. Every time one of the ultra-left blogs or pundits makes this complaint those around her do the wink, wink, nod, nod routine because this helps to farther hide what is really going on. What really surprises me is that there are folks who post here who can't see this for the lie that it is.

To restate what I think is obvious; Hillery is a leftist who wants to appear to be moderate so that she has a chance of being elected president. All of those around her know this and are actively working on molding her image into a centrist. Not because they think she is a centrist but because they know that any candidate that is seen as a leftist by the general population will not win a presidential election.
 
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I fear that now the pendulum has swung back to the left we (as gun owners) may have to just dig in our heels and try to hold onto what we've obtained in the last few years since both evils are often anti-gun. I hope I'm wrong.

Now there's a winning strategy: Wait in your beachchair for the tsunami to sweep over you. Brother.

I didn't say we should wait in our beachchairs. Do you honestly see the RKBA advancing now that the house and senate is under demorcratic control? Maybe if hillary or whatever antigun RINO runs against her wins in '08? I'll keep writing my congressmen and contributing to the cause however I can. But I don't expect to see anything pro-rkba coming out of washington with either scenario. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.
 
Why wait for Hillary Clinton? Under the Smirking Chimp the Great Experiment is already over - total Executive Power, utter disregard for the Constitution, the end of rights that go back to the the Magna-freakin'-Carta, corruption that makes Teapot Dome look like a model of probity, and more powers on paper than Stalin or Mao.
 
What's new here? Are we going to do the same old hand wringing in response to every article about the progression of Hillary's quest? It remains to be seen if she is the Democratic Party nominee. We don't know all the possible candidates, especially on the GOP side. The early front runners have a high burn rate are often not there at the end.

In any case, we will or should have a bigger investment in Senate race primaries. If one wants to make a real difference, I suggest making sure you are eligible to vote in a primary and think about how to help a candidate that most closely fits what you want to see. Whether that candidate has a prayer of winning will be a personal choice, but my own logic leads me to reward the GOP with my general support. Voting for a sure [here today, history the day after] candidate doesn't work for me.

The dark horse to watch is Gov. Mark Sanford (R) of South Carolina, who is as close to a libertarian as you will find in a candidate with a real shot. I don't know if his time is now, but he has been mentioned and has the potential.

Petition to draft Mark Sanford
 
I'd vote for Sanford or Mike Pence in a minute.

Currently, I'm not impressed with any of the frontrunners.

The best case for gun owners is for the Democrats to nominate Bill Richardson and the GOP to nominate Pence, Sanford, Tancredo, or Hunter.
 
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