sbr or pistol

[pitime]

i want to cut a mosin nagant 91/30 barrel down to about 10'' and cut off the but stock and then attach a pistol grip. first of all is this even legal and secondly would it be a pistol or an sbr. also do i need any special licensing to do this?

 

[<*(((><]

You cannot convert a firearm that has once been registered as a rifle to a pistol. It would have to be registered as an SBR, BEFORE making any of the modifications.

 

[pitime]

so if i registered it as an sbr could i then make those changes?
cut off but stock
add pistol grip
cut off barrel to 10''

 

[Sam1911]

If you register it as an NFA Title II firearm, you'll use the Form 5320.1, and in box 4b it will be a "2) weapon made from a shotgun."

(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;

Once you've registered it and gotten your cancelled tax stamp back you may make the changes you've described.


Now, if you want to get started early, you can go ahead and cut off the stock (so long as the total overall length isn't less than 26") and cut down the barrel to 18" (again, so long as the total length is greater than 26"), and decide then if it's worth the extra $200 to you.

 

[Aaron Baker]

Uhm, Sam... a Mosin Nagant isn't a shotgun. It's a rifle.

OP: Sam's advice is otherwise spot on. Just substitute the word "rifle" for "shotgun" and "16" for "18" and then everything he said applies.

Aaron

 

[Sam1911]

Hee hee. Got to reading what I thought I was thinking and what I typed came out like what I was thinking I was saying which wasn't what I was intending. Or something like that.

 

[pjeski]

You cannot convert a firearm that has once been registered as a rifle to a pistol. It would have to be registered as an SBR, BEFORE making any of the modifications.

You cannot convert a weapon that has ever *been* a rifle (unless it was a pistol first) to a pistol. It matters not what it was ever registered as.

(you have rifle registration?)

 

[USAF_Vet]

First a rifle, always a rifle. Changing it requires big brother approval, time, cash and registration.

You can get the stamp, cut it down to pistol size, but it won't ever be classified as a pistol. It will be a "weapon made from a rifle" as mentioned above.

From a historical aspect, an Obrez would be pretty cool. As a range toy, it'll certainly be a head turner. Other than that, I don't see any practical use or value to it, but it's your gun and your dime, so if that's what you want to do, then kudos! I'd be lying to say I hadn't thought of doing the same thing.

But what would be really cool, do it with an M44, and reposition the front sight/ bayonet lug on the cut down barrel, and retain the side folding bayonet (maybe cut down to size to match the new barrel length). An Obrez with a 7" bayonet would be historically inaccurate, but badass nonetheless.

 

[Ryanxia]

If you could somehow find a Mosin Nagant receiver that was never a rifle you could make your pistol with that but I don't think that's an easy find (unless you made one perhaps). I would want some sort of documentation if I purchased one as kind of a backup.
Otherwise, NFA tax stamp it is.

 

[red89notch]

Please dont make a Pistol from a receiver that has never been a rifle. I Dont want surplus 7.62x54r to go away. Just SBR it and be done.

 

[Aaron Baker]

Please dont make a Pistol from a receiver that has never been a rifle.

I don't believe that these actually exist. If it did, it would have to be the rarest of items.

There are demilled receivers out there, and some folks have bought those rifles and then made a jig to re-weld the receiver into a "new" rifle. If you do that, then you can make a pistol without doing the NFA paperwork, since it's a new firearm once you've made a new receiver. (Even if "making" that new receiver involves welding together parts of a demilled one.)

I don't have that level of skill, though. So I'd just pay the $200 to SBR it.

Aaron

 

[Sav .250]

Your messing with Federal laws here. Modifying (maybe) Give DEA a call, I`m sure they will be glad to set you straight.

 

[Ryanxia]

Please dont make a Pistol from a receiver that has never been a rifle. I Dont want surplus 7.62x54r to go away. Just SBR it and be done.

Hate to tell ya but it's gonna happen at some point.
One company already working on it.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...pistol-mean-the-end-of-7-62x54r-ammo-imports/

That being said I agree that SBR is the way to go.

Sav.250 - why would drug enforcement have any information on this?

 

[Surly]

Hate to tell ya but it's gonna happen at some point.
One company already working on it.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...pistol-mean-the-end-of-7-62x54r-ammo-imports/

That guy is a fraud. Do a search and you'll find out.

I, on the other hand, have already crossed that bridge circa 2006. I recently removed it from the CSS receiver I originally built it on and put it in a TGN receiver. I also added the brace, just because. Ammo is still readily available and the sun still rises in the east every morning. LMAO!

 

[USAF_Vet]

I'm pretty sure one-off home gunsmith manufactured pistols capable of firing armor piercing rounds is okay, but once a licensed manufacturer gets on board in manufacturing them, ATF gets more involved. I could be wrong. But before the AK-74 style pistol came to market from a licensed firearms manufacturer, people had made them from receiver blanks and arts kits. It wasn't til a licensed manufacturer started making them that ATF got involved and cut off the flow of "armor piercing" 5.45x39 ammunition.

I've seen several examples of Obrez title II weapons created from Mosin Nagant rifles, and the flow of import 54r hasn't stopped.

Get your stamp and hacksaw and go to town, OP. Or take it to a reputable gun smith not named Bubba.

 

[cbnoble]

From a historical aspect, an Obrez would be pretty cool. As a range toy, it'll certainly be a head turner.

A few months back I had an opportunity to shoot a MN that had been cut down like an Obrez. Awesome fireball that definitely turned a lot of heads and it was surprisingly tame. I'm used to the kick of the 91/30 and I was able to one hand this thing with no problem.

I wish I had a copy of the video.....

 

[Surly]

but once a licensed manufacturer gets on board in manufacturing them, ATF gets more involved.

My point is that Jerry the Fraud is only licensed to steal and promote vapor-ware. He was exposed as a phony a few years ago.

He talks the talk, I walk the walk.