Scale Back Gun Restrictions Veto in VA

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Kaine Vetoes Attempts to Scale Back Gun Restrictions

By Tim Craig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; 11:25 AM

RICHMOND, March 4 -- Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) vetoed two bills Tuesday that would have loosened restrictions on where someone may carry or place a firearm.

Virginia already has some of the least-restrictive guns laws in the country. Under state law, a person 21 or older can obtain a permit for carrying a concealed handgun. No permit is needed if someone 18 or older wants to carry a gun in plain sight.

The state House and Senate approved a bill this year that would have allowed people to keep a concealed weapon in a car if it was locked in a compartment or container, even if they didn't have a permit.

The legislature also approved a bill that would have allowed someone to carry a concealed weapon into restaurants that serve alcohol. Currently, it's only legal to carry a weapon into a restaurant that doesn't serve alcohol.

Kaine vetoed both bills, saying they pose a danger to law enforcement officers. Kaine also said he worried about the safety of restaurant employees and patrons if weapons were allowed into bars.

In his 2005 bid for governor, Kaine campaigned as a supporter of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which pertains to the right to bear arms.

In office, Kaine has advocated some tougher gun restrictions. He unsuccessfully pushed this year to close the so-called gun show loophole, which allows some people to purchase firearms at a gun show without going through a background check.

"He tried to portray to himself as a moderate on guns, and I think these bills [he vetoed] show this is not true," said Mike Stollenwerk, a gun rights advocate. "Being able to lock your gun up [in your car] when you are traveling is simply a common sense measure."

Del. Brian J. Moran (D-Alexandria) said he welcomed the vetoes.

"These [bills] do not make our streets safer," said Moran, a former prosecutor.

Another gun bill also appears to be dead this year. Some legislators were pushing for a proposal that would have allowed students and faculty to carry a concealed weapon on college campuses, but House leaders never brought it up for a vote.
 
The legislature also approved a bill that would have allowed someone to carry a concealed weapon into restaurants that serve alcohol. Currently, it's only legal to carry a weapon into a restaurant that doesn't serve alcohol.

Rarely have I seen such blatant lies. Usually they're more surreptitious than that.
 
Can these vetos be overturned?

It would take a 2/3 vote of the House of Delegates (67). The original bill passed the house 62-38, so five delegates would have to change their votes to override the veto. I don't see that happening.

Honestly, I think the only reason it passed is b/c Kaine told a lot of the downstate Dems that they could safely vote for it and keep their constituents happy, as he would be vetoing it.
 
Well, VA voted for this 'moderate' Democrat and this is what we got. Well, that and his constant attempts to close the 'gun show loophole' and support for a statewide restaurant smoking ban :banghead: Can't say I'm the least bit surprised.
 
Disappointed but not unexpected. Kaine is a ultra liberal and has used the Tech shootings as a spring board to more gun control. He fooled just enough people to get into office by telling folks what they wanted to hear.
 
160,000 Virginia concealed handgun permit holders will notice.

And we'll do nothing about it. We'll allow ourselves to be unarmed at colleges, restaurants, and churches. We'll let our friends and family get shot, raped, assaulted, and forced to beg for their lives on their knees before getting their brains blown out. Our social masters, with their armed bodyguards and police escorts, don't care if we hoi polloi get murdered so long as they themselves are safe, rich, and are growing fat on the fruit of our labor.

The solution isn't violence, although perhaps it includes civil disobedience. We need to be filing more lawsuits, educating more people, and generally waging a campaign that involves more than wishing, hoping, and asking nicely.

I'm done with politeness.
 
From the VCDL (mostly for Va residents to contact their reps)

URGENT URGENT URGENT!!!

Time is extremely short and we must act now to override Governor Kaine's vetoes of SB 476 and SB 436!

I am seeing one furious email after another and we need to take that energy and channel it into getting Kaine's vetoes overridden.

To send a prewritten email to your Senator, click here (copy and paste into your browser if clicking doesn't work):

http://tinyurl.com/2leysl

To send a prewritten email to your Delegate, click here (copy and paste into your browser if clicking doesn't work):

http://tinyurl.com/2nbt5h

You can edit the messages, if you wish, to customize them.

LET"S ROLL VCDL!!!!!!!

Also, you probably do NOT want patronize the Richbrau restaurant in downtown Richmond. Pass the word to friends, family, and coworkers.

The owner is EXTREMELY anti-gun and was on the news again today saying that he was glad that the Governor vetoed HB 476.

That same owner has been fighting against your rights year after year.
 
And we'll do nothing about it. We'll allow ourselves to be unarmed at colleges, restaurants, and churches. We'll let our friends and family get shot, raped, assaulted, and forced to beg for their lives on their knees before getting their brains blown out. Our social masters, with their armed bodyguards and police escorts, don't care if we hoi polloi get murdered so long as they themselves are safe, rich, and are growing fat on the fruit of our labor.

The solution isn't violence, although perhaps it includes civil disobedience. We need to be filing more lawsuits, educating more people, and generally waging a campaign that involves more than wishing, hoping, and asking nicely.

I'm done with politeness.

Tribal is exactly right. Every year thses checker pants politicians take more and more of our rights away from us. We do nothing. Through legislation they make us criminals. The 2nd Amendment says, Shall not be infringed." What part of that do they not understand and where the hell are the courts that should be calling the dime on them for overstepping the law of the land?
 
Come on, now, don't get downhearted. Maybe someday you'll be able to vote a bunch of really good candidates into power. Just keep voting. It will eventually change the nature of coercively-funded politics. Really!

-Sans Authoritas
 
We'll allow ourselves to be unarmed at colleges, restaurants, and churches

Speak for yourself. I choose to carry in restaurants and church.

BTW I've been in contact with my senator and written a few letters/made calls.

Anyone bother to inform Tim Craig he's wrong on a few things, such as legality of carrying in restaurants?
 
I am not even from Virginia and I knew this "moderate" Democrat stuff was a lie. Too bad people all around the country get what they vote for. This guy reminds me of Daley of Chicago. He is arrogant and looks like a mobster.
 
As a Virginia voter and CHP holder, as far as I'm concerned Kaine is done in Virginia politics! He had the ABC testify that his administration was against the bill. VA police were neutral on the bill. Kaine said they were against it. If he wants to stay in politics after his term as VA gov is over, he'd better hope Obama wins and gives him an appointment to something.
 
The veto override for SB 476, Senator Hanger's restaurant ban repeal, failed -- 22 to 18. Twenty-seven votes are needed to override.

Two Democrats, who had voted with us originally, buckled. :barf: But it didn't make a difference, as we could not get anyone who voted against the bill originally to stand up and vote for the override. We needed to pickup three votes to make the override work.

The odds of saving this bill were slim, but worth the try.

Six Democrats buckled and reversed their earlier vote, :fire: causing the override for SB 436 to fail, when it shouldn't have. By buckling, those Democrats are saying that currying favor with the Governor is more important than our right to protect ourselves. :cuss:
 
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