Scale Back Gun Restrictions Veto in VA

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Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back <sigh>.
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Ach, ZeSpectre. Not so much tooting my own horn as sounding a reveille to reason. I'm just pointing out how predictable politicians are. And asking why people still try to put them in office. They (politicians) are the same ones who got power, then decided that you shouldn't be able to carry in a private business. Will someone tell me how (not why) they are able to decide such issues at all? Now, everyone's trying to elect "good" politicians to reverse the damage they themselves have done by proxy. Remember the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again (in this case, voting) and expecting different results each time.

-Sans Authoritas
 
I'm with Sans Authoritas on this one. Voting does jack squat. What's needed is person-by-person education. Hopefully we can do it that way, through individual effort, rather than waiting for people to flee tyranny.

Sic Semper Tyrannis, but I'd rather it not have come to that for people to see what being disarmed gets a person.
 
Precisely, Tribal.

You can only vote enough pro-freedom people into office if you have enough people who love freedom on principle. Therefore, if you have enough of those people to vote someone into office to begin with, you don't need to elect someone to office to protect those rights, because most people are already on the same page.

As Corncob's signature says, "Conversion, not coercion."

Black people didn't begin to get treated equally by passing a few laws. Nobody really cared about the laws. They began to be treated equally because the majority of people started to think differently.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Sans,
Sorry if I sounded snarky, I was hoping we could pull it off so I was pretty annoyed at the turncoats.

As for the voting thing, well, I have Hangar and Saxman. I voted to KEEP them in office because they both believe in treating their constituents like ADULTS capable of self control and rational thinking.

I also (as any could tell from my posts here) wage on ongoing campaign of education regarding firearms ownership. What more would you have one do?
 
Oh before I forget...

We'll re-visit this next year you can be damned certain of that!

Also, folks might want to go to the VCDL website and post an email to Philip Van Cleave (and the rest of the VCDL) thanking him for his outstanding time and effort down at the capitol. That man put in a LOT of time and a LOT of effort and endured a lot of harassment to fight for this.

http://www.vcdl.org/static/officers.html
 
ZeSpectre,

I don't think you came across as too snarky. The "<sigh>" relayed your frustration with the whole thing. It's your frustration itself that I don't quite understand. If you had a pet reptile, such as a sidewinder, and kept it around to hunt rats around your property, would you be surprised and frustrated if it tried to bite you every time it got a chance? Merely because it is the nature of a snake and because it could get away with it? That's why I don't want to keep snakes. Rats can be taken care of by private rat-catching services who actually have to compete with other rat-catching services. That means they don't have a monopoly, and thus actually have an incentive to do their jobs well.

As for me? I'm tired of other people making me pay for the services they want and use: public schools, Amtrak, airline subsidies, tariffs that come back to bite us, the military industrial complex which former General Eisenhower warned us about. (A warning that continues to fall on deaf ears. In fact, police services (men with firearms protecting the equal rights of other men), roads, and everything else that the majority of people use can be paid for voluntarily too, believe it or not. It would be the ideal way to pay for something. You know, to pay according to how much you actually use a service? It's a novel idea, and something I think more people should take seriously, because nobody today can take politicians seriously anymore.

-Sans Authoritas
 
It's your frustration itself that I don't quite understand.
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It's the frustration of having taken time off from work, driven to the capitol (more than once) and met these people face to face. We had pleasant conversations (mostly...Caputo is an ASS!) and it really seemed that we had some breakthroughs in terms of understanding what was about and why. Colgan was my worst disappointment as I it seemed we had cemented the deal and then he turned at the last minute.
 
Like I said, I don't understand why you're frustrated (meaning surprised) when you get bit by something whose nature it is to bite people. (Someone who is in office, lives off of other people's money, and does whatever he wants and gets away with it.) I owned a cat once. I wasn't surprised or angry when he scratched or bit me after I fed him and gave him the run of the house. It's what they do. The difference between politicians and cats is that your neighbors aren't able to force you have a cat, or make you pay for the upkeep of their cats. One other difference: you can benefit from having a cat around.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Spectre,

Tribal called it perfectly. The surest way to protect freedom on a political scale is to be a good example of a responsible gun owner, and educate people. If the majority of the voting populace is going to violate your freedom by voting, they're going to do it. Because they don't know better, and because they think they have a right to deprive you of your freedom. And I see a lot of people granting legitimacy to this flawed way of thinking. They don't have a right to deprive you of your freedom. Even if they get a majority. Majorities and legal positivism do not equate to justice or changing objective reality.

Continue to educate. You won't win this battle by voting. The only way to win is to make it so voting is pointless. This is done by convincing people that A) they do not have a right to violate your freedom and/or spend your money, and B) they don't have to bother to violate your freedom, because you've convinced them to stop perceiving gun owners in a negative light.
You didn't have politicians squabbling about carrying concealable, short-barreled rifles in 1804. And it wasn't because it was the law to be able to carry them in certain states.

-Sans Authoritas
 
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