SCAR 17S hits $6,000

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Please explain what it does so much better than modern AR, FAL or M1A platforms that justifies it's price tag. I've played with all of the 7.62 carbines, and just can't see what makes the SCAR so great.
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Surely. For starters, out of the box, the SCAR is more accurate than any of them. I know firsthand that after accurizing the M1A that you can easily get into $3k territory just to achieve the same accuracy that the SCAR delivers box-stock. As BSW pointed out, factor in a decent railed forend and watch the weight (and price) tally keep going up. If you want the ergonomics of a pistol grip, factor in another $500 for the M1A, but then you've still got the garand safety and not the safer, more modern selector. The FAL and G3 platforms can't even compare from the accuracy standpoint alone; no sense talking about them. The AR10 has no real build/spec standards as a Mil-Spec arm, save for some of the extremely specialized KAC guns, but at that point we're no longer talking about your $1200 Armalite.

It has the sharpest recoil impulse, save for the G3, the reciprocating charging handle is a total afterthought (or was designed by a man with no fingers), and the gun honestly just feels cheaper in construction than an AR-10, FAL, M1A, etc.
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I couldn't disagree more. The SCARs I've fired have had much less recoil and muzzle rise than any of the 50s era Battle Rifles. That reciprocating handle is also present on the M1A, so if you are complaining about it in the context of the SCAR, then all I can assume is that you're holding it wrong. You need to adjust your grip or put the CH on the other side. The newest iterations of the SCAR will have a non-reciprocating CH. Can't stop change.

We also did a side-by-side with an AR-10 carbine. Several shooters, none of whom owned a 7.62x51 carbine themselves besides myself and the SCAR owner. Everyone but the owner of the SCAR preferred the AR-10, and even he admitted that the Armalite was softer shooting.
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What you will find is that people tend to cling to what they know. Everyone and their granny knows how to use an AR. Tell them that they need to charge the rifle in a different manner and watch their whole world fall apart. The SCAR-H remains as the most heavily tested and developed 7.62 carbine, and there's a reason why it is the one currently being used by SOCOM and not the AR10, FAL, M1A or G3.

Nostalgia is great and all, but with rifles like the SCAR17s, OBR and HK MR762 available, the 50s era Battle Rifles are obsolete. They are still effective, but they are obsolete.

It's hardly a Porsche vs. Honda argument. More of a Rolex vs. Timex. One has prestige and a high price tag, the other just works.
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Not hardly. Rolex watches keep terrible time, losing up to 20 minutes over the course of a year, due to an outdated automatic movement. A huge part of the expense of a Rolex is the gold used in the watch. Rolex movements are not the result of any strenuous scientific methodology or contract demands. What you are proposing really is a Porsche at Honda prices. Ain't gonna happen.
 
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I think the whole reciprocating bolt handle is overblown. You get the disadvantage in that it moves and will smack your fingers if you leave them in the wrong place. That's countered by the simplicity of the stock CH: one piece of steel with overmolded plastic inserted directly into the steel bolt carrier. The SCAR CH is its own forward assist and if the bolt carrier were to seize in the forward position, you can kick it open. Try kicking open AR pattern CHs. You won't be doing it very many times.

The FN FS2000 does have a non-reciprocating CH that's also a forward assist. It is made of 5 parts and a couple springs. They also aren't known for being real robust.

Everything is a compromise.

BSW
 
Agree Joeschmoe, the Sig is wicked, but I have my favorite too...

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I am a HK416 nut... I love them... But I also like the ACR

Edit: just seen the new Hk 416A5, I am still wiping drool from my face..lol
 
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This; Sig 553/556
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2 problems: a 553 costs 5 figures (10k+) and the 556 isn't even close to its military brethren in terms of quality. Kinda hard to have either of those rifles serve as a viable alternative to the SCAR.
 
The Swiss made sig is worth a lot more than a 40 year old AR tech, but I don't think the SCAR is that much better. $6k. No.

The 553 has never been available to us, because it is select fire only. Swiss buy them for about 400 swiss francs. Retail is several times that, but not $10k+.
 
Someone recently started importing real deal Sig 553 "pistols", which are currently selling for around $4k-$6k. Atlantic Firearms has them in stock for right at $5k. Simply fill out your NFA paperwork and slap one of the Swiss made folding stocks on it and you have the closest thing possible to a Swiss military 553.
 
yeesh. you could get two high-end bolt action precision rifles for that kinda money.

gonna be a lot of butt-hurt when this all blows over on the federal level. :uhoh:
 
Meh. I guess those are 553-ish. The lower looks awful strange though, and why is SIG screwing us out of the rear diopter? For $4k it shouldn't be that way.

I still can't consider this a viable option to a SCAR at real-world pricing (at $2.5k, not $6k). In fact I feel bad for anybody who didn't get any NFA items before all of this happened. There's too much uncertainty to have that much money tied up with your fingers crossed.
 
$$$

Some people have allot more dollars than centse.

gonna be a lot of butt-hurt when this all blows over on the federal level.

LOL!!! so true.................
 
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