Scary day at the range

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uglymofo,

Amen! Being an RO is not like being the Maytag repair man!! You are on alert 24-7 and if you sleep on the job, someone COULD DIE!

RO's with Brass is rare.

When I took a training class, someone broke 180, and my officer drew on him, as he saw finger on the trigger, magazine loaded...

you can just imagine the color on his face when a gun was pointed at him telling him to drop his weapon. The RO said, he had no problems pointing a loaded weapon at someone who is pointing a loaded weapon at him...

RO's with brass is rare; I think it should be the norm, not the exception.
 
Actually, aiming uprange at fellow shooters is way beyond breaking 180. The shooter is supposed to be aiming down range and 180 is the area directly left to directly right from a point on the shooting line on a line perpendicular to the target. Hmmmm. Yeah.

Try again. If the shooter is facing directly down range the line from his direct left to direct right defines the 180--the shooting line. The muzzle of the firearm is not to be directed anywhere on or behind that line. In most cases that also includes straight up and straight down. There are regulations on how much cant the holster can have and how far to the rear the muzzle is pointing is acceptable to limit damage if some poor sap has an accidental discharge in the holster. The AD will of course end the day for that shooter, however.
 
Or a letter to the local newspaper. Catch those idiots on video and you've got the makings of a good expose.


With a cooperative local TV station you could rile things up pretty good.
 
Email to the chief and range would be in order.

I didn't want to end up in the hospital since I don't have health insurance.

I have health insurance, but feel the same regarding getting shot.
 
I have to concur those LEO's were on the ignorant side when it came to weapons handling. I didnt have as many problems as Skunk and 10 ring. We were on a different lane but what little I did witness was just as bad as they have described.



Wilhelm
 
I must have been really lucky when I was in LE. Everybody except management - everbody on the street - were intimately committed to firearms excellence. Hell, your expertise or lack thereof could mean you lived or died. Everybody from other departments I knew of were also pretty good shots, knowledgeable about firearms, range rules, etc. Most were 'gun nuts'.

I don't know what kind of training the LEOs in your areas received, but it sounds pretty deficient. None of us would have made it out of academy acting the way the cops did in this thread. Were they all from cities by any chance? I wouldn't be surprized.
 
What I saw both amused me and saddened me. I was careful to not go "watching" and left the lanes they were in ASAP.

It's a publice range. LEOs have "the right of way." I don't think that they even considered removing the offending individuals.

Sometimes you forget, I suppose. These people are not police to shoot things/people, which is good. But, they should at least know proper gun handling from "T.J. Hooker."
 
LEO cowboys

I'm one of a group of all-volunteer chaperones. The dire legal costs and consequences for an AD (somebody choose--accidental death or accidental discharge) are so high that I won't be challenged on my range policies. In that regard, I think my colleagues are just as intolerant. I know that if something bad happens because I was lax, somebody's gonna sue the club and the Board of Directors, and sooner or later they'll get around to suin' me, and I didn't save all my life to make somebody else's life easier because I didn't have the balls to spank idiocy.

Questions are always welcome, with discussion back and forth if procedures are asked to be changed, and I think we're pretty amenable (hell, we've let'em cut loose with full auto M-16's whenever they have to for qualifying, and we're not out in the woods by any means...). We (at least, I) are not gruff nor belligerent in our treatment of any shooter when we RO; unless we sense that our gun-handling instructions are being ignored or taken lightly. To my knowledge, only 2 qualifying LEO's have ever been banned (and that was for the day only) for poor gun-handling; they were allowed to return on other occasions after they demonstrated familiarity with the weapon in question. In both cases they didn't ignore us; they just couldn't concentrate on gun-handling procedures well enough while handling an obviously 'new' weapon. One was a petite woman who kept pointing her M-16 over the hill while hot, and the other a man who swept twice, the second time, his own feet while shotgunning.

The hot shots and their attitudes don't last very long; we won't tolerate it. That's LEO or not.

We're a public range, too. NO ONE has the "right of way" except the RO. I've been a regular visitor to 4 public ranges; I've never seen LEO's shoot among the "common" people. That is, they've never come in uniform so everyone knows who they are and just taken a couple of stalls. They seem to always come as a large group (necessitating they shoot on a "closed range") or incognito.

In either case, LEO status doesn't give them any special gun-handling privileges whether they're amongst each other or out in public (except the aforementioned private [and approved per shooter per stage] full-auto practice). That these bozos Skunk mentioned were out in a local event and they were identifiable somehow as LEO's doesn't change the fact that the RO is 'god'. That range needs new RO's; I wouldn't shoot there until at least a new policy was enforced. The current RO's showed how lightly they take their task. They're watching my back when I shoot, and in general, public shooters handle guns at least as poorly.

If it was acknowledged that these LEO's came as a group, and more than one objected or disdained the gun-handling instructions, the ranking officer (if there was one) should have been pulled aside privately and threatened with an immediate and permanent ban of his department unless a deferrent attitude towards the RO's gun-related decisions was displayed by ALL. If no one admitted to being the senior officer, then the individual violators should be banned for the day, immediately on their next violation. In both cases, letterhead should be used (naming names and badge numbers) to inform the department chief of the action, with a copy kept by the gun club's secretary.

If the violators won't comply and leave, tell them you'll "cold" the firing line and dismantle the event or call a different Law Enforcement department--County Sheriff, State Troopers, any other armed entity will do. If you have to make the call, just say a 'contentious man with a gun' will not follow instructions at the range. You'll get a pretty quick and serious response. When we had the 2 belligerent local PD's put out (the violator [horizontal shoulder holster w/ cocked and locked] and his partner, both undercover), 2 Sheriffs in 2 cars showed up to do it in 3 minutes. I'd have thought embarrassment woulda been enough to make them comply with the range rules.
 
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Some of the worst gunhandling I've ever seen outside of a gun show (I'm as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs when it comes to shows) was at an LFI-II course where members of the Virginia Bureau of Prisons fugitive recovery team (I forget their actual designation) was there. Not only did most of them fail the PPC qualifier course which they were shooting to show us how it's done, but they also violated every rule of gun handling.
 
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