killchain
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I happily pay my yearly fee to keep idiots away from me when I go to the range.
Scary people at the range.
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Barrel swap? What is this nonsense of which you speak?
It's for different bullet diameters, my friend. Now that's true versatility!
That's fairly impressive, but being limited to a single bullet diameter for each revolver must get pretty stifling. I sympathize--really, I do.
Changing out parts? Say it ain't so!Have you ever considered a Medusa Model 47?
My scariest day really was a bit scary.
In the booth next to me at an indoor public range a guy was shooting a suppressed M4 which was a beauty. He hands it to the female that was with him and 3 other guys.
I see him hand it to her and watched as...well its hot to see pretty girls shooting hot guns.
First round went into the ceiling 10 feet down range, The guy friend helped her point the gun this time. This round went 20 feet down range and into the ceiling again but this time hitting a 12' florescent bulb making a pretty flash and sparks and then glass spraying the range half way down.
At this point i step completely to the rear of the room directly behind her and stay there until the gun leaves her hands.
After a little eaves dropping it turns out she didn't know you had to actually aim the gun. I hope i didn't make this sound too sexist as its completely the guys fault for not teaching this lady a darn thing before handing her a deadly weapon. He's the idiot.
In the booth next to me at an indoor public range a guy was shooting a suppressed M4 which was a beauty. He hands it to the female that was with him and 3 other guys.
I see him hand it to her and watched as...well its hot to see pretty girls shooting hot guns.
First round went into the ceiling 10 feet down range, The guy friend helped her point the gun this time. This round went 20 feet down range and into the ceiling again but this time hitting a 12' florescent bulb making a pretty flash and sparks and then glass spraying the range half way down.
At this point i step completely to the rear of the room directly behind her and stay there until the gun leaves her hands.
After a little eaves dropping it turns out she didn't know you had to actually aim the gun. I hope i didn't make this sound too sexist as its completely the guys fault for not teaching this lady a darn thing before handing her a deadly weapon. He's the idiot.
Oh, thank you sir. I am. In fact, one of our members was killed and his weapons stolen at a range not too far from here. When I shoot rifle I keep my CCW on my hip. When I'm shooting one of my CCW, the other is either on my hip or in my pocket. I'm never unarmed. If I see someone I don't feel comfortable with, I leave. Luckily the range (in the past anyhow) has been a pretty good one.
lilguy
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According to another RSO thread all shooters are intellectual saints and RSO are range Nazi's. The number of dangerous ,untrained shooter at ranges is alarming. RSO's could use 2 sets of eyes.
T2K
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Twin Ponds state range near Charleston, SC, circa 1990. This is a public range with no range officer or anything like that. Shooters are self-regulated, and usually it works pretty well with people calling their own cease fires, being friendly and just generally being responsible. I do wonder if everyone makes their firearms safe during the ceasefires, and I've seen people handle firearms when I'm downrange though.
Anyway, this event was an exception to all that. There was a man and a boy there, presumably father and son. They were shooting a revolver. There was a yellow plastic cup on their table.
A ceasefire was called. There were three of us in our group and two of us went downrange. We were both unarmed, this was back when I was about 17. The guy then fired his revolver, which sounded like a magnum, at the target next to us at the pistol berm. The round impacted maybe 10 feet from me and my friend who were changing our targets. This was not a negligent discharge, he fired on purpose.
My friend's brother was the 3rd person in our group, he was back at the firing line. There were also a group of guys there shooting AR's. Everyone picked up a rifle, but they kept it skyward. No guns were pointed at anyone, but they all shouted for this guy to cease fire, what the hell was he doing, etc. His response "I wasn't shooting at them!". It then became obvious that this guy was drinking, there was some kind of alcohol in his cup. He left after that.
I stay armed at the range now. I've been to that range dozens of times since and never seen anything problematic.
Anyway, this event was an exception to all that. There was a man and a boy there, presumably father and son. They were shooting a revolver. There was a yellow plastic cup on their table.
A ceasefire was called. There were three of us in our group and two of us went downrange. We were both unarmed, this was back when I was about 17. The guy then fired his revolver, which sounded like a magnum, at the target next to us at the pistol berm. The round impacted maybe 10 feet from me and my friend who were changing our targets. This was not a negligent discharge, he fired on purpose.
My friend's brother was the 3rd person in our group, he was back at the firing line. There were also a group of guys there shooting AR's. Everyone picked up a rifle, but they kept it skyward. No guns were pointed at anyone, but they all shouted for this guy to cease fire, what the hell was he doing, etc. His response "I wasn't shooting at them!". It then became obvious that this guy was drinking, there was some kind of alcohol in his cup. He left after that.
I stay armed at the range now. I've been to that range dozens of times since and never seen anything problematic.
ljnowell
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Why bring that to another thread? You know that there was much more to that then what you posted. No one has the right to search anothers bag without permission in that setting.
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ljnowell said:
That discussion is CLOSED. Further ressurection of that thread here will result in this thread being CLOSED and possibly infractions given.
minutemen1776
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It seems this thread has gotten a little off base. Let's try to bring it back.
In response to what the OP said, I must say that, when it comes to the myriad of calibers out there, I tend to sympathize with newer, less-informed shooters. It is, of course, everyone's responsibility to learn gun safety and to know what his gun will safely chamber and shoot. That said, there are lots of similarly named cartridges, and some are interchangeable while others are (dangerously) not. Guys at the gun counter can often be of little help, too, and may in some cases be responsible for sending newbie patrons out to the range with 9mm Mak ammo when 9mm Luger was needed. Also, the fact that some Magnum revolvers will safely fire non-Magnum rounds (like .38s in a .357) may exacerbate the problem, because some may know of this interchangeability and assume it applies more universally. I know this because my Dad (who has been around guns most of his life) genuinely intended to buy a sale-priced .300 Win Mag bolt-action intending to use cheaper .308 or .30-06 rounds in it. When asked why he thought he could do that, he cited .38/.357 compatibility as the basis of his mistaken belief. Go figure. So, I wish there were a better way to ensure that shooters (especially newer ones) don't make such mistakes. Shooting can involve a jumble of calibers, names and numbers, and that must be daunting to the uninitiated.
In response to what the OP said, I must say that, when it comes to the myriad of calibers out there, I tend to sympathize with newer, less-informed shooters. It is, of course, everyone's responsibility to learn gun safety and to know what his gun will safely chamber and shoot. That said, there are lots of similarly named cartridges, and some are interchangeable while others are (dangerously) not. Guys at the gun counter can often be of little help, too, and may in some cases be responsible for sending newbie patrons out to the range with 9mm Mak ammo when 9mm Luger was needed. Also, the fact that some Magnum revolvers will safely fire non-Magnum rounds (like .38s in a .357) may exacerbate the problem, because some may know of this interchangeability and assume it applies more universally. I know this because my Dad (who has been around guns most of his life) genuinely intended to buy a sale-priced .300 Win Mag bolt-action intending to use cheaper .308 or .30-06 rounds in it. When asked why he thought he could do that, he cited .38/.357 compatibility as the basis of his mistaken belief. Go figure. So, I wish there were a better way to ensure that shooters (especially newer ones) don't make such mistakes. Shooting can involve a jumble of calibers, names and numbers, and that must be daunting to the uninitiated.
NMGonzo
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Good on ya for helping the guy.
Mike OTDP
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What bugs me the most are the people who persist in going downrange while I'm holding a loaded gun. The idea of making sure everybody (inlcuding muzzle-loading shooters like me) is unloaded seems unclear to them.... :-(
cassandrasdaddy
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something to consider at the range. i had not the benefit of family to teach me about guns. i learned at the range from kind strangers who had to correct a number of what probably seemed to them incredibly ignorant behaviors. almost without fail they were kind and patient even while driving home the very serious safety rules. for that i will always be forever grateful. it is easy to take for granted that folks know what they are doing. i sure didn't and it was guys at the range who schooled me
Ryder
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I haven't been "scared" at the range but inconsiderate people tend to get under my skin.
I was shooting at an outdoor range with the kids. We were the only ones there. In pulls a car with 3 off duty cops who take up the bench to our immediate left. I thought that a little odd considering all the other benches they could have chosen. They then proceeded to spray us with their hot brass
We moved over a couple benches but it soon became apparent why they did that (to chase us off) when they began breaking the range rules doing quick draw competition. So we packed up and left. Wasn't scared but they weren't hitting the target and the fact that they felt rules didn't apply to them made me feel very uncomfortable.
I was shooting at an outdoor range with the kids. We were the only ones there. In pulls a car with 3 off duty cops who take up the bench to our immediate left. I thought that a little odd considering all the other benches they could have chosen. They then proceeded to spray us with their hot brass
We moved over a couple benches but it soon became apparent why they did that (to chase us off) when they began breaking the range rules doing quick draw competition. So we packed up and left. Wasn't scared but they weren't hitting the target and the fact that they felt rules didn't apply to them made me feel very uncomfortable.
Dnaltrop
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At the range this weekend, we kept the line clear ourselves, when people wanted to shoot closer to the backstop, everyone moved up to keep things active. till the first group left.
Later, 2 gentlemen came in, and waited patiently while my old man and I cleared the last of our ammo, so they could use the full length of the lanes.
All day everyone gave at least a full space if not more to each other shooter.
Guns went back and forth with the first group, and a polite "no thank you" from the second.
I think that's the most people who've ever shot near me without attempting to shoot me in the gut while demonstrating their knowledge of how to handle a firearm.
Side note, the Makarov ammo was sparking on the Backstop on some shots! Steel ammo is fun.
Later, 2 gentlemen came in, and waited patiently while my old man and I cleared the last of our ammo, so they could use the full length of the lanes.
All day everyone gave at least a full space if not more to each other shooter.
Guns went back and forth with the first group, and a polite "no thank you" from the second.
I think that's the most people who've ever shot near me without attempting to shoot me in the gut while demonstrating their knowledge of how to handle a firearm.
Side note, the Makarov ammo was sparking on the Backstop on some shots! Steel ammo is fun.
stchman
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I did not realize that 9mm Makarov bullets and 9mm Luger bullets are different diameters.
9x18 (Makarov) = 9.27mm
9x19 (Luger) = 9.00mm
9x17 (.380ACP) = 9.00mm
I own a .44 Magnum and I still do not know where it gets the .44 in its name. The parent to the .44 Magnum is the .44 Special and it has a 0.432" bullet. hell, I don't even know where .380ACP gets the .380 from.
9x18 (Makarov) = 9.27mm
9x19 (Luger) = 9.00mm
9x17 (.380ACP) = 9.00mm
I own a .44 Magnum and I still do not know where it gets the .44 in its name. The parent to the .44 Magnum is the .44 Special and it has a 0.432" bullet. hell, I don't even know where .380ACP gets the .380 from.
Cocked & Locked
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yikes!
Confirmed to me by reading this thread...I'm glad I never have to shoot at a "range" (indoor, outdoor, private or public) with other folks on either side.
Confirmed to me by reading this thread...I'm glad I never have to shoot at a "range" (indoor, outdoor, private or public) with other folks on either side.
otherwise I just shoot 45 through it to train properly holding and aiming the heavy beast..44 S&W American had a case diameter of .44", and the bullets were heeled, so they were of the same diameter. S&W then based their .44 Russian caliber on it but slightly reduced the bullet diameter to approximately its current diameter (per the requirements of the Russian military), while increasing the diameter of the case and the overall length of the cartridge to ensure that people didn't try to fire the hotter round in a .44 American revolver. Despite the tweaks, .44 remained part of the name, probably for both marketing reasons and to indicate its lineage. The .44 Special was then based on the .44 Russian, and in turn the .44 Magnum was based on the .44 Special, carrying over the popular .44 moniker (which had often been used since before the introduction of any of these cartridges).
It's probably because .38 was becoming a well-known name for calibers back then, and Browning had already created the more powerful .38 ACP, so he just added a 0 to make it unique. No deeper explanation is needed or necessarily even exists.
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