Schaumburg Illinois gun laws (Please Help)

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CAGE is a Chi thing--although it *might* get someone, the Cook AWB really only effects the gun dealers still operating in Cook, Co. To my knowledge, not a single case has ever been pressed against an individual--all concerned know that it had the 'desired' outcome---gun shops are driven out and shooting de-legitimized on a social level. The law is worthless--no one would waste energy testing it in court. It is following the Chicago doctrine of gun law enforcement--force the 'law abiding' underground and wink an eye unless they cross 'your' line. It's not a secure feeling.
 
From the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Programs, US Dept of Justice http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/pubs/gun_violence/profile11.html


The Chicago Anti-Gun Enforcement (CAGE) team was established in the mid-1990's in response to an increase in the number of gun-related crimes. The Chicago Police Department believed that a more proactive approach was needed: Instead of focusing exclusively on the crime itself, gun violence could be reduced by investigating individuals who purchased guns that were used in crimes and arresting and prosecuting the straw purchasers who were the sources of many of these illegal weapons. At the start of the program, only two officers were assigned to the CAGE team; by 1998, when police data suggested that additional resources could cause significant reductions in illegal gun purchases, the team was increased to eight Chicago police gang specialists and two special agents from ATF who are detailed to the unit.

Any firearm recovered at the scene of the crime is investigated by this special unit. First, investigators obtain the serial number of the gun and forward it to the ATF's National Tracing Center, which will reveal information about the manufacturer, the FFL that sold the firearm, the purchaser, and the purchaser's State-mandated Firearms Owner Identification (FOID) card, if any. The CAGE team then contacts the Illinois State Police and requests information on how many times that person has been "queried" -- that is, how many times a gun dealer has informed the State police that a FOID holder has tried to purchase firearms or ammunition. Not only does State law require that the FFL report each transaction, but the FFL is not even allowed to show weapons or ammunition to anyone who does not have a FOID card. (FFL's are also required to notify ATF when someone is buying more than two guns in 1 week.) The law also requires that the purchaser retain records on the gun for 10 years. In the event that the weapon is sold to someone else, the original purchaser must ensure that the new purchaser has a FOID card and meets the same State and Federal requirements for firearm purchases.

Using information obtained from the State police(emphasis mine), the CAGE team initiates an investigation, beginning with the weapon that was recovered from the crime scene. The unit also works with its two ATF agents to obtain information on all the guns that have ever been purchased by a particular individual, based on information from ATF. When sufficient evidence is obtained, an arrest is made; if the case warrants Federal prosecution, the CAGE team works with the U.S. Attorney's Office to have the case prosecuted in Federal court (where penalties are more severe) rather than in State court.

One of the strengths of the CAGE team is its ability to complete a weapons trace quickly -- in about 24 hours, compared with the 2 weeks that are normally required. There has been no independent evaluation of the program, although the unit has collected evidence suggesting that the CAGE team has been successful in identifying straw purchasers and preventing guns from being transferred to the illegal market. During the period January 1*October 8, 1998, for example, the CAGE team made a total of 61 arrests, both felony (e.g., gun running and unlawful sales) and misdemeanor (e.g., failure to maintain records).

During the period January 1*September 30, 1998, CAGE team requests for ATF tracing documented 874 firearms. Of that number, 154 weapons were recovered from crime scenes by the Chicago Police Department or other local law enforcement agencies, and 131 were recovered by the CAGE team during its investigations of suspected straw purchasers or gun runners. The remaining weapons were reported missing, stolen, or otherwise unaccounted for. The CAGE team launched 123 investigations during that same period, resulting in the 61 arrests noted above. So far, 27 case dispositions have resulted in 23 convictions with jail time or probation; approximately 30 cases are still pending.
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Anyone want to take bets that Cook County isn't involved with CAGE ??? :rolleyes:
 
Why would anyone even consider living in Illinois, reminds me of Nazi Germany 1939, I am begining to understand why the politicians in Illinois don't want an armed population. Corrupt police, greedy government entities.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/20/2030.asp
Illinois: Village to Seize Cars Over Aftermarket Mufflers
Rossville, Illinois is looking to seize cars that use aftermarket exhaust systems that may be louder than stock.

Automobiles with aftermarket exhaust systems may be seized if they pass through Rossville, Illinois and a police officer thinks the vehicle is making too much noise. The village will also authorize police to grab a vehicle if an unruly passenger "resists" an officer's commands. The ordinance was approved last week over the strong objection of

"If a kid has loud mufflers, give him a ticket; don't take his car," Trustee Dick Queen said, as reported by the News-Gazette newspaper. "I think it's wrong to punish the driver for what a passenger does."

Municipalities in Illinois have taken the lead in generating significant revenue through automobile seizure ordinances. Chicago seizes 25,000 cars every year. Cook County's car grabbing program earns the equivalent of $1.7 million a year.

The jurisdictions have also come up with a number of clever ways to accuse motorists of crimes meriting confiscation. Rockford and Peoria will seize cars with loud stereos. Oak Forest will seize the car of anyone accused of crimes like shoplifting that have nothing whatsoever to do with driving. In all jurisdictions, the seizure takes place upon a mere accusation by police -- not after any finding of guilt in a court of law. Kane County will even keep a confiscated car belonging to a motorist later found innocent.

Source: Vehicle seizure rules passed in Rossville (East Central Illinois News-Gazette, 10/22/2007)
 
Ask Tank Johnson... The former Chicago Bear, and now Dallas Cowboy, that got in all sorts of trouble with the law for possessing guns that, in nearly any other jurisdiction, would have been perfectly legal.
 
Vehicle seizures to generate revenue and kickbacks are nothing new in Illinois: Please note the release date.

Lincoln Park Pirates
from the Steve Goodman LP "Somebody Else's Troubles" Original Release Date: 1973

The streetlamps are on in Chicago tonight,
And lovers a'gazin' at stars;
The stores are all closin', and Daley is dozin',
And the fat man is counting the cars...
And there's more cars than places to put 'em, he says,
But I've got room for them all;
So 'round 'em up boys, 'cause I want some more toys,
In the lot by the grocery store...

Chorus:
To me, way, hey, tow them away,
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we,
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
And we always collect our fee!
So it's way, hey, tow 'em away,
We plunder the streets of your town,
Be it Edsel or Chevy, there's no car too heavy,
And no one can make us shut down.

We break into cars when we gotta,
With hammer and pickaxe and saw;
And they said this garage had no license;
But little care I for the law!
Our drivers are friendly and courteous;
Their good manners you always will get;
'Cause they all are recent graduates
Of the charm school in Joliet.

Chorus
To me, way, hey, tow them away,
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we,
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
And we always collect our fee!
So it's way, hey, tow 'em away,
We plunder the streets of your town,
Be it Edsel or Chevy, there's no car too heavy,
And no one can make us shut down.

And when all the cars are collected,
And all of their fenders are ruined,
Then I'll tow all the boats in Belmont Harbor
To the Lincoln Park Lagoon;
And when I've collected the ransom,
And sunk all the ones that won't yield;
I'll tow all the planes that are blocking the runways
At Midway, O'Hare, and Meigs Field!

To me, way, hey, tow them away,
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we,
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
And we always collect our fee!
So it's way, hey, tow 'em away,
Now citizens, gather around,
And I think it's enough, let's call his bluff,
Let's throw the bum out of town!
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If anyone's interested I have this on CD. I'll see if I can find the lyrics for a another old song about the corruption of the CPD, in which the lyrics has a CPD officer stating "I always have change for a twenty".
 
"Tank" was arrested because he didn't have a FOID card, what the guns were didn't matter. You can't even have a single shot muzzle loader in Illinois without a FOID.
 
Tank's FOID was that interesting 'catch 22'--IF you are from out of state and have lawfully owned guns with on for your stay in Illinois--you may certainly have them. Tank said he had no FOID because he was a lawful resident of AZ, and the guns were (ugggh) 'registered' there (whatever he meant by that). The contention of IL was that he was a resiedent who never bothered to get his FOID card. I don't think he fought very hard to claim his non-resident status. And in IL, you are breaking the law in fact if you are from out of state and apply for a FOID from an address in IL---but in truth, if you had a summer home here or whatever--the state would give you the FOID if you have an IL State ID or DL in your name.


Now you got it!!!??? (haha)


Scout 26--no doubt, the CAGE unit a spin-off in the works for Cook. To a certain mayor greater Cook and the collar counties are buffer zone--like Russia has traditionally viewed Poland!
 
"Tank" was arrested because he didn't have a FOID card, what the guns were didn't matter.
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I was under the impression that one of the charges upon Tank was violation of Cook County's AWB, because he possessed an AK (legally purchased in his home state of AZ).
 
I was just looking up some of the news articles back from when Tank got charged. All I saw was that he was charged with having "unlicensed weapons", which I presume means no FOID card. Nothing about the Cook County AWB.

I would like to know if he got charged under it, but again, I'm under the impression no one has been charged under that law.
 
that all FFL's call in the NICS check to the ISP who instantly tells the Chicago PD of anyone with a Chicago address who buys a handgun/EBR and the Cook County Sheriff of anyone who buys an EBR.
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emphasis added by NukemJim

I am not sure that the above is correct. My limited understanding ( I can always be wrong) is that when the ILL FFL calls it in to the ISP the ONLY inoformation the ISP is given about the firearm is whether or not it is a longarm (rifle/shotgun) or a handgun, but not anything else.

I will check with my FFL tomorow.

NukemJim
PS for the poster who asked about who specificly would not sell EBRs to Cook Count resident, beside the previously mention store on Rt30, I remember SOME dealers at gunshows have stated that they "would not" sell to someone with a CC adress, never asked their reasoning I never buy firearms at gunshows. NJ
 
I am not sure that the above is correct. My limited understanding ( I can always be wrong) is that when the ILL FFL calls it in to the ISP the ONLY inoformation the ISP is given about the firearm is whether or not it is a longarm (rifle/shotgun) or a handgun, but not anything else.

I recently asked a local FFL and this is the same info he gave me, long gun or hand gun. Jim.
 
FWIW I sent in an email this past summer to the Tinley Park PD website asking about whether or not the Cook ban applied here. I actually got an email back from the police chief himself stating it did not due to home rule. Add this to the fact that the gun shop in Tinley stocks ARs on its shelves... so the ban is preempted in at least some places.
 
Most gun stores (including all of the big ones) will sell ebr's to people with a cook county address. I have yet to encounter a store that wouldn't. A Chicago address might be another story but I don't live there so I don't know. Most of the time it is just private parties that are too afraid to sell to people with Cook County address.

The Cage unit may technically be a Chicago thing. However, when a gun is used in a crime in the city, and the last stop in the paper trail on file points to a suburban address, they will drive out to the burbs to investigate what they suspect might be straw buying. Keep your paper work in order and you have nothing to fear from them.
 
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