School fights
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Waitone
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Talking to a lawyer ain't litigation. You can bet the school system has platoon of lawyers lined up. You talking to counsel merely levels the field of combat.
Moparmike
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I have never really gotten into a fight per se, but some scuffles.
I remember one clearly:
I was standing in line to have my test graded in 5th grade math, and there was this jerk behind me. His back was about 3ft from the wall, as the line curved and they were standing parrallel. This is important for later.
So I was standing there, and the little jerk wouldnt leave me alone. Poking, hitting, slapping the back of my head. No matter what I said, he wouldnt stop, and the instructor was oblivious. Luckily, he was also the basketball coach.
Much to the dismay of the jerk in question, I had seen Goldfinger the night previously, and for some reason, the get-out-of-a-choke hands up then slammed into the ribcage move stuck with me. So, I turn around, and push him and tell him to stop. He decides he is going to grab me by the sholders and try something. Having remembered the move well, I executed it flawlessly. Hands up between his, knocking his arms out of the way, then straight down into his ribs with authority! He doubled over, and then I promptly body slammed him (little skinny punk, I weighed almost twice what he did) into the concrete wall. I then told him in a scary calm voice to "leave me alone." He did so after that...
My teacher said to take it outside next time, and not in his classroom. Ehh.
I remember one clearly:
I was standing in line to have my test graded in 5th grade math, and there was this jerk behind me. His back was about 3ft from the wall, as the line curved and they were standing parrallel. This is important for later.
So I was standing there, and the little jerk wouldnt leave me alone. Poking, hitting, slapping the back of my head. No matter what I said, he wouldnt stop, and the instructor was oblivious. Luckily, he was also the basketball coach.
Much to the dismay of the jerk in question, I had seen Goldfinger the night previously, and for some reason, the get-out-of-a-choke hands up then slammed into the ribcage move stuck with me. So, I turn around, and push him and tell him to stop. He decides he is going to grab me by the sholders and try something. Having remembered the move well, I executed it flawlessly. Hands up between his, knocking his arms out of the way, then straight down into his ribs with authority! He doubled over, and then I promptly body slammed him (little skinny punk, I weighed almost twice what he did) into the concrete wall. I then told him in a scary calm voice to "leave me alone." He did so after that...
My teacher said to take it outside next time, and not in his classroom. Ehh.
Similar incident happened to my 12 y/o son last month at a California Publc School.
I got a call from the Vice Principal at work that my son had been suspended for fighting. After finding out he was alright I stated that my son doesn't normally start fights. So she proceeded to tell me that my son was smack in the head at the lunch table by a known bully and that initially my son was defending himself.
I started to read her the riot act about punishing victims of bullying etc. She interupted me and said, "Sir, I agree totally in his right to self-defense, but he punched the bully in the throat which temporarily prevented him from breathing, he fell to the ground and your son kicked him in the face! It took two teachers to restain him from seriously injurying the bully!"
My response..."Oh...."
The bully was expelled. No hospital visit. No law suit yet. Long talk to son about excessive force......Note to self:don't teach death punch to other children without excessive force warning speach.
I got a call from the Vice Principal at work that my son had been suspended for fighting. After finding out he was alright I stated that my son doesn't normally start fights. So she proceeded to tell me that my son was smack in the head at the lunch table by a known bully and that initially my son was defending himself.
I started to read her the riot act about punishing victims of bullying etc. She interupted me and said, "Sir, I agree totally in his right to self-defense, but he punched the bully in the throat which temporarily prevented him from breathing, he fell to the ground and your son kicked him in the face! It took two teachers to restain him from seriously injurying the bully!"
My response..."Oh...."
The bully was expelled. No hospital visit. No law suit yet. Long talk to son about excessive force......Note to self:don't teach death punch to other children without excessive force warning speach.
You are absolutely correct. My advice was probably somewhat knee-jerk, in that there have been several high profile suits in my area in the last few years that were for things that seemed relatively minor. A significant protion of my property taxes goes to school funding and I would rather it not go to school lawyers.
I believe it is better to try to resolve it informally at first, then move up the chain of command. I can certainly envision a scenario where a lawyer can and should be contacted.
Oleg Volk
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OR a nation of people smart enough to choose their fights. Nothing wrong with home schooling, either.
mvpel
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Yea, that's it. Run away from the problem. Let someone else deal with it. We really are becoming a "Nation of Cowards."
The Southern Baptist Convention will vote on a resolution urging all members to pull their kids out of the government schools.
There's a limit to "working within the system." Sometimes the rotting hulk of an old system has to collapse completely before any real change can take place.
The Southern Baptist Convention will vote on a resolution urging all members to pull their kids out of the government schools.
There's a limit to "working within the system." Sometimes the rotting hulk of an old system has to collapse completely before any real change can take place.
I agree that it's important to fight for change within our public schools. However change takes time. Public education has been going farther and farther down the path of not applying discipline properly for many years. They've decided that properly disciplining students is too much work, so they've resorted to policies of zero tollerance and punishing everyone involved.
This has not solved the discipline problems in schools, and has had more of an effect of teaching people not to stand up for themselves. They've created an environment in which it's hard to learn, and they are also taught the wrong messages about manny important issues in life.
Changing this will take a lot of time and effort. However, you're children don't have a lot of time. Kids grow up quickly, and it's much harder to learn both schoolastic and life lessons when you're older. You're first responsibility is too your childern. You're responsibility to your community is also very important, but you need to make sure you're child's education is taken care of first.
Getting public education to change is a huge uphill battle which will face a lot of resistence, especially from teachers unions. It's important, but if you're child is really in a bad school, then it's not worth the damage you can do to their future to keep them in that school.
sturmruger
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I agree with Oleg.
I was home schooled through all 12 grades. I do not think home schooling is right for every family, but it worked well for mine. I think the most important plan is to get your child involved with a structured academic program that allows them to work at their own pace.
I was home schooled through all 12 grades. I do not think home schooling is right for every family, but it worked well for mine. I think the most important plan is to get your child involved with a structured academic program that allows them to work at their own pace.
jnojr
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I second the suggestion to get a letter from the teacher who witnessed the fight. And my suggestion to "get a lawyer" wasn't to "cash in"... as things stand, even if the OP tells the school "I support my kid, etc." and the school decides to not take disciplinary action, they still don't have the correct mindset. The next time this happens, it's likely that the kid being bullied will be disciplined for "having done something wrong". The school needs to get their unit caught in a crack here. Lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, PC, "tolerance", etc. have gotten us to the point we're at today, where the schools are collapsing ????holes, kids can't read, bullies run free, and billions of dollars are being wasted. We need people to stand up to these back-office bureacrats and say "No more! We've played these stupid games long enough. It's time for common sense to come back".
All it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
All it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
I just have to share my daughter's experience when she was in JH. She's not imposing to look at, at 5'2", but swam competitively for about 9 years and even swam a 1500 freestyle event using the butterfly stroke to make a point. (Mostly the coach making a point about her to her).
One day near the end of school some boy attempted liberties with regards to her clothing that were uninvited, unwanted, and inappropriate. She decked him and made him cry.
The California school, naturally, had a 0 tolerence policy for fighting but the teacher who witnessed her whip this kid just laughed at him and ignored his plight.
One day near the end of school some boy attempted liberties with regards to her clothing that were uninvited, unwanted, and inappropriate. She decked him and made him cry.
The California school, naturally, had a 0 tolerence policy for fighting but the teacher who witnessed her whip this kid just laughed at him and ignored his plight.
jke456
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all good advice
remember the advice dear old dad give me once when I having similar problem
there were to or three seniors{I was a soph} that picked on us regulary...
I made dad aware so if he got the call I was suspended it wouldn't be a surprise ]
dad told me to catch each of them alone if it continued and whip them if I could....If I couldn't then to take a 2x4 along and whip them
only took whipping one of them {with my fist} and was never bothered again
remember the advice dear old dad give me once when I having similar problem
there were to or three seniors{I was a soph} that picked on us regulary...
I made dad aware so if he got the call I was suspended it wouldn't be a surprise
]dad told me to catch each of them alone if it continued and whip them if I could....If I couldn't then to take a 2x4 along and whip them
only took whipping one of them {with my fist}
and was never bothered again- Status
