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Schwarzenegger promises to support Feinstein's effort to extend a federal AWB!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by WonderNine, Oct 30, 2003.

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  1. WonderNine

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  2. Monkeyleg

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    In the words of Gomer Pyle: suprise, suprise, suprise!
     
  3. Bill Hook

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    RECALL!
     
  4. QuickDraw

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    Hey,this is pretty good!
    Arnies not even in office yet and I can say
    "Don't blame me,I voted for Mc Clintock!".:D

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  5. tyme

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    Did anyone seriously think Schwarzenegger was even remotely pro-gun?
     
  6. Jim March

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    Admittedly, this isn't good.

    However, two points:

    1) This is CNN reporting, and not with direct quotes. They're grabber enough to twist something, we don't REALLY know what was said.

    2) Ignoring that, look at the context: Arnold heads to DC to try and get the California congressional/senate delegation to give him at least SOME backup. And the senate delegation is 100% gun-grabber, the house seats maybe 20% hardcore grabber, another 40%+ will go along with grabbing. So to get their help, he makes some grabber noises, which we get filtered via the Communist New Network (see point 1 above).

    Now, politics is about horse-trading, at least some of the time. So here we see Arnold trading something he DOESN'T have for something they have.

    We'll see. Wait till the next legislative session, and Perata fires up the bullet tax and Koretz goes for 50s...then we'll see.
     
  7. Sven

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    This looks grim. No surprise.
     
  8. jimpeel

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    To be fair, what he really said was Sound File
     
  9. tyme

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    Going to Washington, making gun-grabbing noises, and getting friendly with Feinswine lends credence to the message of the gun grabbers. Here's an ex-Austrian who in a few ways at least represents the american dream and who just won the California recall election by a large margin, and he's saying assault weapons are bad.

    There's more to politics than who votes for what. Schwarzenegger's claim of support for the AWB, whether the support is real or not, has real consequences that are not good.
     
  10. 50 Shooter

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    I'll be the first one to say that if he does go for the AWB then fine, you should've voted for Tom. I'm not going to sit here and worry, let them say and do all they want. :banghead:

    If you voted for one of the evils, your just getting what you deserve. Don't whine or cry about it or come up with an excuse, it's to late. If you didn't listen or read the writing on the walls then who's really at fault? Recall my A**, go ahead and try, it will never happen!

    I voted for Tom and all I can say is I'm :cuss: stuck with Arnie! Oh well, I guess we're going to find out how deep the rabbit hole really goes.:barf:
     
  11. Gary H

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    It sure made me nervous to see so many of the Kennedy clan on stage on his "victory" night.
     
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    Another actor I will not....OH SCREW AHNALD!!! :cuss:

    God I hate spineless hypocrites. This guy made his fortune shoving gun barrels down the camera lens and now he wants to side with that %#@*! :fire:
     
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    It may be a small move in the larger game, but not good. I'll be watching how he reacts to the next round of grabber legislation from our loony bin in Sacramento.
     
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    But...but he's a Republican! The pendulum will swing back to the right! We have to start SOMEWHERE! Looks he's the lesser of two evils! Do you want Bustamante to win? :rolleyes:

    :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :cuss:
     
  15. WonderNine

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    This whole left/right b.s. really drives me up the wall. It's not left vs. right, it's liberator vs. oppressor.
     
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    Capitol Hill in frenzy over Schwarzenegger
    Gov.-elect gets star treatment, seeks fire funds
    New York Times

    Schwarzenegger made few policy pronouncements, though he did vow to work with Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to reauthorize a federal assault weapons ban. Asked if he would raise taxes to help defray the cost of the fires, he said "Now is the wrong time to make that decision."

    Marin Independent Journal
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    Star-struck in D.C.
    Capitol's all aflutter for Schwarzenegger
    By Michael Doyle and David Whitney -- Bee Staff Writers
    Published 2:15 a.m. PST Thursday, October 30, 2003

    "What's past is past," Feinstein said while meeting with Schwarzenegger in her Senate hideaway office. "One of the ways that I think we have to go is to turn the page and move on, and now is the time to solve some of the problems. And I will help him in any way I possibly can."

    Schwarzenegger pledged to "work together" with Feinstein to reauthorize an assault weapons ban. Boxer pressed the governor-elect for more education funding. He said, "Sure."

    Sacramento Bee
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    Wasn't Arnold the Stealth Pro Gun Candidate? Do you think Fineswine would "help him in any way I possibly can" unless there was something in it for her?
    Also, didn't he say he would only raise taxes in case of emergency? Guess what, California is having an emergency.
    He isn't even Governor yet and he's already throwing you under the bus.
     
  17. Jim March

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    Ya, well, Tom decided not to be governor. His choice. We're living with it.

    We ain't gonna know what's up with Arnold until next year's flood of crap.
     
  18. 2dogs

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    Did anyone seriously think Schwarzenegger was even remotely pro-gun?

    Uh, was he the "stealth" candidate?:rolleyes: :neener:
     
  19. KMKeller

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    Jim,

    What about your whole "Arnold is a pro-gun candidate" schpeel? What about the substantial amounts of money he donated to gun rights groups?

    So far, it looks like Angel and Nicki had this guy pegged dead on.
     
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    "Ya, well, Tom decided not to be governor. His choice. We're living with it"

    Um, this would be the same Tom who caught hell from the Republican establishment for NOT pulling out of the race? I thought it was more along the lines of the party establishment deciding that he wouldn't be governor, so they put their thumb on the scale by coming out en mass for Arnold.

    Jim, you're the one who was talking about a stealth candidate, and you sure couldn't have been talking about McClintock. So it was either Arnold, or somebody WAY down the ballot...
     
  21. Tamara

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    I think anybody with a room-temperature IQ saw this one coming.

    Yeah, sure, he's donated to the NRA. Heck, he may even be a member. So was George Bush when he announced the banning of imported "assault weapons."

    I think some folks really, really, really wanted to believe that he was secretly pro-gun, or at least neutral on the subject, but it looks like wishing don't make it so.


    This also shows where the man's head's at. All the problems in CA right now, with businesses and citizens fleeing, illegals flooding in, the economy circling the bowl, and half the frickin' state on fire, and he's got time to go gallivanting off to DC and natter about assault weapons?!?

    I think the state GOP faithful are about to get a full dose reminder of the "we get the government we deserve" type...
     
  22. KMKeller

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    Now the only question that remains is, "Was Arnold playing the pro-gun crowd (NRA and CCRKBA) by leveraging his donation record? Or was pro-gun leadership deliberately undermining Tom McClintock?"... Inquiring minds want to know.
     
  23. Brett Bellmore

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    We can only guess.

    That said, it would not be out of character for the NRA to attempt to deceive gun owners about Arnold, in order to hurt McClintock, out of a conviction that McClintock doing well would result in Bustemante getting elected. They frequently work against the best candidate, in an effort to prevent the worst from getting elected. And if it takes a bit of deception to accomplish that, they lie.

    I don't think they've ever taken into account how much it weakens us, knowing that we can't trust our own leadership.
     
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    I don't think this is necessarily cause for too much alarm, insofar as Arnold has no role in the approval/disapproval of a federal AWB. Him saying that he'd support an extension of the AWB it in some fashon basically means nothing from a practical point of view.

    Of course, it also means that he cares nothing about pro-gun voters now that he has gotten their votes. Um... duh?

    Funny thing was, when I was on a recent business trip to California the talk radio stations were talking about Arnold as if he was this ultra-right-wing radical that somehow got into office because of the rabbid conservative orthodoxy of... get this... Southern California. One Bay area pundit suggested that the "reasonable centrists" (tee hee!) of the San Francisco area seceed to escape the SoCal radical rightists.

    My impression is that California was lucky to get Arnold, though I will admit that saying so is on par with saying, "You have Smallpox! Great! I mean, you could have gotten Ebola..."

    But I'm probalby not being fair to Cali. Almost being run over by an unreconstructed old hippie on a bicycle while walking out of an In-N-Out burger joint with a double-double probalby soured my impression from the start. Though the burger did get California some points back. Please don't slide into the Pacific until there is a In-N-Out franchise in Dallas. :D
     
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    Ummm, how about a totally radical idea?

    Now that he is governor, how about trying to educate him and maybe get him over to our side? Maybe it's a long shot but it sure beats hanging around whining and pouting like a set of bad brakes.
     
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