Schwarzenegger Praises 'Minuteman' Campaign

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Gov. Praises 'Minuteman' Campaign
# Schwarzenegger says group's patrols against illegal immigrants have been effective. One critic calls remarks 'nothing short of base racism.'

By Peter Nicholas and Robert Salladay, Times Staff Writers

SACRAMENTO — Calling the nation's borders dangerously porous, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday praised the private "Minuteman" campaign that uses armed volunteers to stop illegal immigrants from crossing into the U.S.

Schwarzenegger said in a radio interview that the federal government is failing to secure the border with Mexico, and he cast the hundreds of private citizens who have been patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border since April 1 as a popular response to government inaction.

I think they've done a terrific job," Schwarzenegger said of the "Minuteman" volunteers, who plan to expand to California in June. "They've cut down the crossing of illegal immigrants a huge percentage. So it just shows that it works when you go and make an effort and when you work hard. It's a doable thing."

The governor added that, "It's just that our federal government is not doing their job. It's a shame that the private citizen has to go in there and start patrolling our borders."

President Bush has denounced the Minuteman volunteers as vigilantes.

U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) expressed surprise that Schwarzenegger would be "praising efforts by untrained volunteers to patrol the borders. The best course … would be to add an additional 2,000 border patrol agents."

The leader of a Mexican American group called the governor's comments "shameful" and "nothing short of base racism."

"I think we're seeing the real Arnold Schwarzenegger. The mask has now fallen," said Nativo V. Lopez, state national president of the Mexican American Political Assn. "Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them."

Just last week, Schwarzenegger and his aides sought to clarify his statement to a convention of newspaper publishers that the nation should "close the borders." Before his speech was over, an aide told reporters that Schwarzenegger had meant to say that the U.S. should secure its borders — not shut them down.

Schwarzenegger has frequently sought advice from former Gov. Pete Wilson, a Republican who used the issue of illegal immigration to fuel his reelection campaign in 1994. Schwarzenegger also has hired several former Wilson staff members, including his chief of staff, Pat Clarey.

An organizer of what is being called the "Minuteman Project," Chris Simcox, said he welcomed Schwarzenegger's endorsement.

"It's gratifying to see that elected officials are responding to the will of the people," Simcox said in an interview Thursday.

He said there are about 15,000 volunteers who have committed to patrolling the border in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. The group is also incorporating, assembling a staff and opening a national fundraising campaign, Simcox said. He added that he planned to call Schwarzenegger.

Volunteers may carry firearms if they choose, he said, but they obey all local laws. Their practice is not to apprehend people but to report instances of illegal crossings, he said.

"We don't involve ourselves in taking the law into our own hands," he said.

Margita Thompson, the governor's press secretary, said: "At this point, the governor does not oppose" the group coming to California.

As far as the charge of racism against the governor, she said: "It's not racist to ask the federal government to enforce its laws. Everyone should be united in wanting to protect our national security."

In his interview with KFI-AM (640), the governor said he was deeply troubled by illegal crossings and what he described as an inadequate federal effort to tighten borders. He said he was especially disturbed by footage he had seen recently on Fox News showing "hundreds and hundreds of illegal immigrants coming across the border."

Schwarzenegger said the nation is sending the wrong signal by making water available to migrants as a convenience.

Humanitarian and religious groups, such as Humane Borders and No More Deaths, provide water for immigrants crossing the border. Federal wildlife officials have provided water stations in the desert for animals but have been criticized for not providing enough for people.

Said Schwarzenegger, "What we're doing basically is, by not really securing the borders, we're saying: 'Look, here are the various water stations. Here are the places where you can cross the borders. Here is where we're going to help you.' The whole system is set up to really invite people to come in here illegally, and that has to stop."

Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, an immigrant rights group, responded to the governor's comments. "I assure you, nobody is coming here for the water, and the stations we have set up by various organizations is a humanitarian effort.

"We don't respond to Arnold Schwarzenegger; we respond to a higher authority. We're a nonpolitical, humanitarian organization."

Asked by the hosts of the "John and Ken Show" why Bush called the volunteers vigilantes, Schwarzenegger said: "I really cannot tell you exactly what his thinking is. I'm sure he's trying to solve the problem as well as anyone can. And he maybe has more information than you and I have. Why he has a policy about the border the way he has, I don't know. I've not had that conversation with him.

"But the next time I see him, I will have that conversation."

Schwarzenegger's opponents in the Legislature voiced outrage at the governor's comments.

Aides to Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez (D-Los Angeles) said he was furious and promptly called Schwarzenegger to complain.

Assemblyman Hector De La Torre, a Democrat from South Gate, blasted the governor's comments as "scapegoating and immigrant bashing."

"To support vigilantism is completely against the oath he took" to uphold the law, De La Torre said. "It goes way beyond normal law enforcement, normal border patrol jurisdiction. It's just off the charts. For him to say this puts him to the right of President Bush. This is completely out of the mainstream in California."

In the same radio interview, the governor also asked a Spanish-language Los Angeles television station, KRCA-TV Channel 62, to remove a billboard it erected with the words "Los Angeles, Mexico." The governor said such sentiments — implying that Los Angeles was now part of Mexico — would encourage illegal immigration.

Some conservatives welcomed Schwarzenegger's comments.

"Obviously, we are very happy the governor is beginning to side more and more with those of us who have been taking the problems with illegal aliens seriously," said Mike Spence, president of the California Republican Assembly, a volunteer group. "The governor gets that illegal aliens are a problem facing California."

Times staff writer Richard Marosi contributed to this report from San Diego.
 
You know, I tried to find the Bush "quote" actually calling them "vigilantes". I'm having some trouble. I found:

"It's an exercise some law enforcement authorities and others fear could lead to vigilante violence."
"an exercise some law enforcement authorities and others fear could lead to vigilante violence."
"Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence."
"Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence, an accidental confrontation between armed volunteers and authorities, or a dangerous encounter with the violent smugglers who use the area."
"Law enforcement officials have said they feared the project will lead to vigilante violence, an accidental confrontation between armed volunteers and authorities, or a dangerous encounter with the violent smugglers who use the area."
So much for finding anything on CNN. So, I Googled it:
"The president called that group of volunteers, who will be monitoring our southern border, quote, "vigilantes" as President Vicente Fox has called them previously" - Lou Dobbs
Finally, I thought I found something:
"I am against vigilantes in the United States of America. I am for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why we have a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border."

Well, he used the word, but he didn't say "The minutemen are vigilantes."

I now doubt that he EVER called them vigilantes. More media lies, as far as I can tell.
 
I don't think he has to say "the minutemen are vigilantes". The context of this quote was in a discussion about the "people who are hunting migrant people along the border" - and the question was clearly about the minutemen. To deny that he didn't call them vigilantes is absurd. I'm curious if you're also in denial that he continues talking the "national security" talk and yet does little or nothing to secure the border with Mexico?

Source (whitehouse.gov)

Q (As translated.) Mr. Presidents and Mr. Prime Minister, I wanted to ask you what concrete actions do your governments want to lay out in order to make this partnership a reality as far as energy markets, which is a very critical issue for all of our countries -- energy markets? I also want to ask you in this security and prosperity partnership, when will you include the migratory, or immigration policy in this partnership?

And, President Bush, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about those people who are hunting migrant people along the border.

PRESIDENT BUSH: I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border.

We talked about migration, of course -- we spent a lot of time talking about migration. We've got a big border with Canada, a big border with Mexico, and it's an important issue. But the issue on the borders is not just people, it's goods and services. And so the agreements we're talking about, the way to strengthen our relationships of course includes our border policy. And we'll continue to include border policy.
 
The leader of a Mexican American group called the governor's comments "shameful" and "nothing short of base racism."

Can someone please direct this guy to a dictionary?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya
 
Schwarzenegger gets it. And he's not afraid to say what he believes

Yeah, then back pedals when he realized that he just hurt his Latino vote.


Schwarzenegger Apologizes for Border Comment

The National Ledger | April 21 2005

Comment: Schwarzenegger wasn't even supporting closing the border in the first place.

Schwarzenegger's method of closing the borders is to support Bush's guest worker program, which is blanket amnesty. It just makes all the illegals legal. This is akin to the police saying they've found a way to eliminate murder in the United States.....by legalizing murder.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was quite clear on Tuesday when he told a group of newspaper publishers that the United States needs to "close the borders." He was referring of course to the United States-Mexican border, and was quoted as saying, "Close the borders in California and all across Mexico and in the United States. Because I think it is just unfair to have all those people coming across, have the borders open the way it is, and have this kind of lax situation."

He had more to say on Wednesday and it went something like, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean it."

The AP notes that Gov. Schwarzenegger was taking quite a bit of heat from Hispanic lawmaker in California and he backed down quickly, blaming his command of the English language.

"Yesterday was a total screw-up in the words I used," the Republican said at a news conference. "Because instead of closing, I meant securing. I think maybe my English, I need to go back to school and study a little bit."

While it would be easy to pile on Gov. Schwarzenegger and slam him for backing down so quickly, it would be great if high profile government officials like Schwarzenegger would commit to at least "secure" the borders.

I assumed that's what he meant when he stated that.

No one expects the border between the United States and Mexico to be closed, just secure it from illegal immigration, drug trafficking and take away that portal for terrorists.

Our homeland security depends on it.
 
I said he gets it, I didn't say he isn't a politician. I think he's trying to figure out how to move a mountain right now, not easy, even for a muscle-builder.

Ain't that they truth.
 
"This is completely out of the mainstream in California."

Of course, the mainstream of California sometimes makes the NY "Love Canal" incident c.1976 look like pure mountain snow runoff.



As for, "Oh, the irony of a man who still can't speak English clearly coming down on that side of an immigration issue."

Yes, coming from an immigrant who tried to follow the immigration laws of the country he was trying to enter and eventually become a citizen of. He did not come here by sneaking across the border in a remote area in the dead of night, or by paying a smuggler to get him to the Austrian ghetto of Los Angeles.
 
I think Ahnuld is playing the numbers. Purely by plain, ol' luck Ahnuld comes out with his anti-illegal immigration words just about the time his popularity tank. Predictably the law breaking lobby spanks him for his comments and he uses one of his aides to withdraw the statement. . . . . .for the benefit of the illegal vote.

So there you have it. Straddling the fence, Ahnuld style. What will be interesting to see if he comes out witth a more definitive anti-illegal statement after he has seen his detailed poling results. With these two stories Ahnuld just release two trial balloons and he is waiting to see which drew the most fire and from whom.
 
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