Scope on Savage Arms Model 24 .223 over 12 gauge?

[maxsom]

Scope on Savage Arms Model 24 .223 over 20 gauge?

My nephew got his first gun, a Savage Arms Model 24 .223 over 20 gauge. He wants to mount a scope on it, but even our local gunshop guy can't tell us what we need in order to mount it. It will require a side-mount and base, but which ones? This rifle/shotgun is factory stock, and even the Savage Arms website couldn't help us out. We both greatly appreciate any help.

 

[rcmodel]

I saw your other post yesterday but couldn't help then either.

B-Square used to make a mount for that gun. But they no longer do.

By all reports, they wouldn't hold zero on a 12ga., and thats why they no longer make them.

You might have the wrong gun to try to put a scope on.

It would be in the way for using the shotgun barrel, and if you did, it would be kicked out of kilter for when you used the rifle barrel.

Sorry, but your best bet if he wants a scoped .223, is to trade it for one better suited for a solid scope mount that will hold zero.

Rc

 

[CH47gunner]

Yep - iron sights on that one.
I have an older model 24 in .22lr/.410, the rifle actually has a scope rail on it. Book does not recommend using the .410 while a scope is mounted.
I'd check and see if there is an aftermarket receiver sight for it if it's to be used as any sort of primary hunting/field rifle.
I bought mine as a nice little bunny buster & semi-survival rifle.

Bruce

 

[natman]

Yep - iron sights on that one.
I have an older model 24 in .22lr/.410, the rifle actually has a scope rail on it. Book does not recommend using the .410 while a scope is mounted.

The older rimfire 24s had a groove cut for rimfire rings on the barrel. It was fine for rimfire rounds, but couldn't hold the scope in place if fired with a heavy shotgun load.

Some centerfire 24s had the barrel drilled and tapped for a Weaver #74 base. They came from the factory with a fake rib mounted where the base would go.

I don't know if the 12 gauge specifically is set up this way.

 

[maxsom]

Thanks for the replies so far. He told me that it is a 20 gauge, not a 12. Also, this is a very recent version of this rifle. It is actually drilled on one side for a base, but we don't know which one to get.

 

[alsaqr]

Also, this is a very recent version of this rifle.

The most recent model was the 24F. It came drilled and tapped for top mounts. i have this gun in .22 Hornet over 3" 20 gauge shotgun.

 

[HOOfan_1]

I have one and I mounted a scope with the grooves. I have fired 2 3/4" 20 gauge rounds with it and it held zero just fine for me. No cookie cutter on my eye either. Just make sure it has plenty of eye relief

 

[Captain Capsize]

I have a scoped .22 mag over 20 ga. scope stays zeroed after shooting slugs no problem. Also have .223/20 ga. same thing.

 

[maxsom]

So what part #s did you use to mount your scopes?

 

[natman]

So what part #s did you use to mount your scopes?

Some centerfire 24s had the barrel drilled and tapped for a Weaver #74 base.

See above.

 

[natman]

Thanks for the replies so far. He told me that it is a 20 gauge, not a 12. Also, this is a very recent version of this rifle. It is actually drilled on one side for a base, but we don't know which one to get.

When you say "drilled on one side for a base", one side of what?

 

[Domino300]

I have a 24V-A, 222 over 20 with the Weaver #74 mount:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/738318/weaver-top-mount-scope-base-74-gloss

Also have 22 LR and 22 Mag, both over 20 with the rimfire grooves.
All have long eye relief scopes and see through mounts for the shotguns.

 

[maxsom]

When you say "drilled on one side for a base", one side of what?

Assuming the butt is the end closest to your body, there is a plate on the right side. This plate is attached to both the top and bottom barrels mounted flush to the end when the gun is breached.

Is the Weaver #74 top-mount base used in a side-mount application, or is this a different version of the gun?

 

[natman]

Assuming the butt is the end closest to your body, there is a plate on the right side. This plate is attached to both the top and bottom barrels mounted flush to the end when the gun is breached.

Is the Weaver #74 top-mount base used in a side-mount application, or is this a different version of the gun?

Here's a Savage 24 with the fake rib as installed from the factory:



Here's a different 24 with the fake rib removed and a Weaver #74 installed in its place:



I can't imagine why there would be a plate attached to the right side of the barrels. It's weird to think of attaching a scope to the side of the barrels and even if you did, a right handed shooter couldn't see it if it were attached to the right side of the gun. Pictures are called for.

 

[maxsom]

I cannot get the pictures to load. Maybe the links below will work.

This is the drilled plate:
http://s988.photobucket.com/user/maxsom5/media/DSCN0182_zps9246a780.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

This is taken from directly above the plate:
http://s988.photobucket.com/user/maxsom5/media/DSCN0183_zps59e6b74a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

This is looking forward from the second picture toward the factory sight and a bunch of my papers and such:
http://s988.photobucket.com/user/maxsom5/media/DSCN0184_zps2bb96a12.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

 

[maxsom]

I hope you can follow those links. I tried posting the pictures, but I guess I don't remember how to do it.

 

[GooseGestapo]

I think the side plate is a previous owner "add-on".

I've seen many, many of those rifles on gun racks and used in field hunting (I'm a retired c.o.)
I've never seen one with the side plate, especially on the right side.

I suspect that a side mount for a Savage M340 "might" fit the holes. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

IMO, the current owner, especially if a young fella, would be better off just sighting in the iron sights for a 55gr soft-point .223 and call it good. The ergonomics of these firearems with scopes mounted are terrible (very top-heavy).
IMO it "ruins" the guns...Especially if the "see thru" rings are used, as most I saw/handled did....

 

[3212]

Personally,I would not put a scope on it.Use the iron sights and practice.

 

[natman]

I did a bit of searching around and I did find a 223/12 ga that had the "side panels" as pictured. They weren't drilled and tapped though and it had the fake rib on the barrel.

 

[maxsom]

This is a .223 over 20 gauge. I misspoke when I called it a 12 gauge. He is left-handed and mainly shoots the .223 right now. He really wants a scope, but this is not sounding very hopeful.

 

[.375]

Help him sell it and get an H&R .223 or cheap bolt action.

Later he can get a shotgun.

Then he'll have two useful firearms instead of one novelty.

 

[PapaG]

24Vs are drilled and tapped. Weaver mounts work fine. Use a scope designed for a high powered rifle (I have a Bushnell 4X on mine) and set it up for maximum eye relief. Should pose no problems with recoil but be sure you don't creep up on the scope.
I agree irons are safer but have had no problems with mine.
Regular 24s (rimfire models) are grooved for 22 type scopes. Don't use one of them.