I've mounted lots of scopes, but need some advice. I mounted a Meopta on a Rem 700 and that should be no big deal, right?. The complicating factor is the Meopta has a 56mm bell. So I elected to mount a rail to give me a bit more height. Bought it from Optics planet and it fit perfectly. Then added a pair of Warne rings, medium height. Everything looked good. Tried using my Bushnell bore sighter which works OK, but couldn't get it to work with this set-up. Weird. Went to the range and tried bore sighting it at 50 yds. Looking thru the bore I could see the white paper target, but looked thru the scope and it is aiming in the grass well below the target stand. Not nearly enough adjustment range to get even close to zero. I don't understand why I'm so far off. I have some other mounts for Rem 700 (not a rail) and could remove the rail and start over. Any suggestions?
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So just for clarification, the gun would be shooting amazingly low correct?
As dumb as it sounds.... Check that you didn't get the rail on backwards......
After that, check that your rings are the same height, and that they're seated completely on the rail, and that the front one isn't riding up on something.
Those can be done visually for the most part.
After that then I would check the components for level individually.
Level the rifle then check the level of the rail, if that's good. You know it's with your rings or scope.
As dumb as it sounds.... Check that you didn't get the rail on backwards......
After that, check that your rings are the same height, and that they're seated completely on the rail, and that the front one isn't riding up on something.
Those can be done visually for the most part.
After that then I would check the components for level individually.
Level the rifle then check the level of the rail, if that's good. You know it's with your rings or scope.
gotboostvr
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First inclination is that the rail is on backwards
Backwards. was my first thought but nope, it's on correctly. It was purchased from OpticsPlanet and on the package it says. "Fits Rem 700". I'm removing it tomorrow and replacing it with a set of mounts I already had. My thinking was the rail would give me more flexibility in eye relief. And my expert helper has the bad manners to be in a bar in Nashville and won't be back for a couple more days!! I'll give you an update when I have one.
gotboostvr
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Do the rings have any elevation built in? Is it possible they're on backwards?
Skylerbone
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The rifle would definitely shoot high, really high. A rail with MOA built in will be thick at the rear and angle down at the front (toward the muzzle) such that if you were to shoot as it sat, you would be raising the muzzle to go from grass level to target level.
It should not be anywhere near that far off for any reason unless the scope itself is broken. Can you mock it up on any other rifle and view the results?
It should not be anywhere near that far off for any reason unless the scope itself is broken. Can you mock it up on any other rifle and view the results?
Skylerbone
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Found a pic on EuroOptic.
just went and looked, theres no way to mount a 700 rail backwards, the screw spacing is .2" or so different.........Id check level on the gun and rail, but NOW im suspecting the cross-bolt on the front ring is either not seated correctly or something similar....
JFrank
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Are you sure you are adjusting the correct direction?
I hadn't thought about the cross bolt on the front ring, but I'm taking everything off today to see what I can change. I have another set of mounts I can use. Wish me luck. And damn....my p-dog hunt is coming in 3 days....running out of time. If I can't get this resolved, I'll switch to my .204 and 22Hornet
greyling22
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do you have another set of rings you could test? Worst case scenario, burris makes some rings with plastic inserts that you use to change elevation. pos-align I think they are called. I had to get some because one of my rifles had a janky reveiver or soemthing. I couldn't get my crosshairs out of the dirt in front of the target without them.
Well....I took the rail off and used a typical set of mounts and now the scope looks right. I do not understand why the rail is elevated on the back end, which would explain why the cross hair was in the dirt. I'm sure you guys can help me understand that. I chose a rail to give me greater flexibility for eye relief and to assure adequate clearance for the 56mm objective. Turns out the medium rings are nearly perfect with standard mount. Now.....to the range!! I'll let you know how it turns out. Good news is, I learned a lot and appreciate you guys helping me.
gotboostvr
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That's what we're here for!
Glad you got it sorted out, good luck on your hunt, let us know how you do!
illinoisburt
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Depends on the rail. Most are flat, some are specifically made with 10 to 20 degrees of elevation for long range shooters to give them more elevation drop from their optics. It's not terribly usefully until ranges extend out past 600 or so yards.
Skylerbone
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On an MOA rail, you’re getting a boost in elevation for longer ranges or to help keep the crosshairs closer to their mechanical center, rather than at their extreme limits. So…if in your case you know that despite the scope pointing into the dirt that the bore is aligned with the target, raising the scope to point at the target would require raising the rifle’s muzzle, meaning you would be shooting high.
To see the target through the scope, you would need to raise the muzzle in the below pic. That would raise the bullet’s trajectory.
That makes it quite clear. Thanks for that. I thought I was ordering a flat rail and didn't notice the elevated rear end. It's on it's way back to Optics Planet and I'm on my way to the range. And compliments on your fine art work. I think Hunter Biden sold one like this for $500,000. You could be a rich man!!
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Thank goodness for modern mobile programs - my freehand artwork is awful as well, but quick scribbling in a couple apps allows much cleaner info graphics!
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