SD40VE (Apex) trigger job = success

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Howdy - new member here. Wanted to share a positive experience with the members...

Probably covered here before, but I wanted to share some recent experience installing an Apex Tactical trigger and spring kit in my SD40VE.

Duty carry weapon for years was a SW4046, then the last 5 or so, the Glock 22, so those are handguns I have put 1000's of rounds through. Looking for something relatively inexpensive and similiar in size and function to those, I found the SD40VE fit my hand, my training, and my budget quite well so I bought one about a year ago.

Like everyone else, I hated the trigger. But everything else about it, I liked quite a bit. Once I found the Apex aftermarket trigger kit, I knew I had to install it.

Took me about an hour of slowly working through the installation video and then (yes) filing down the back of the trigger to get it to fit and function correctly, but once I had done all that, WOW. :eek:

Folks have said it's a "whole new gun" and I can't disagree. In fact, I'd gladly take this gun over my old Glock 22 any day, now that it has this Apex trigger kit in it.

All in all, I couldn't be more pleased. An SD40VE (or SD9VE, I suppose) with the Apex trigger and a blackhawk holster is a fine and affordable option that is reliable, easy to clean and easy to own.

If you have a SD40VE and have been toying with the idea of a trigger job, are at least somewhat handy, and have some patience and a few basic tools, I think it's well worth it. Made my $300 gun shoot like a $600 gun IMO.
 
Most of the install was straightforward, and exactly how the videos go, but filing down the material on the back of the trigger to increase the stroke was the main frustration. If I had attempted to install that without reading the reviews that explained it, I would have really been lost. Also, since you need to drop the hammer to disassemble the gun, I'm not sure what Apex is thinking here by selling triggers that could easily put a person in an awkward spot.

Once I got the trigger shaped and fitted correctly, yea, I was in love. But right up to that point, I was becoming very frustrated.

Bottom line - for someone that is fairly handy and has some basic small tools around, this is a no-brainer job for this gun. I would never go back to the factory trigger after shooting it this way.
 
Glad to hear this. The SD9 is attracting me, one of the budget minded semi loaders around from a good manufacturer. I've been looking at the various videos-comments about the Apex additions and yours echo's the transformation with this installed. :)

One of the larger chain stores has these at $350 down from $399. There's better pricing if hunting though I've not seen any at the $299-$325 yet.
 
Glad it worked out for you, Newtosavage. and Welcome to THR.


I had a Sigma, did the Apex kit. It did improve the trigger. But was still a bit gritty. Ordered the Galloway Precision sear spring. With a very light touch of stone on the sear and the newer spring. It made the trigger butter smooth.

It the sear slot is too rough, Galloway offers a replacement sear for $50.



Only a few of the SD/SWs may require a look at the sear/spring.

Also did the Apex kit for an M&P40. Much better trigger over factory. :)
 
I just bought a new one SD9VE on Gunbroker for $248.50 plus shipping. Sounded like a good price to me.

And I plan on installing the Apex trigger asap after I get it and run a box or two of ammo through it so I can compare the before and after.

I have a Shield I use for cc, and did the complete Apex job on that (as well as installing night sights) and I'm in love with that little gun. Works like a charm and the trigger is a dream.

I've also got a S&W SW990L and that trigger, being a "quick action" doesn't seem to have an Apex kit...but I have no problems with it so I'm going to leave it as it is.

(I had a trigger job done on my Browning HP and it's down to about 4 pounds.....I guess I could carry it, but I like the DA for carry as I've never been comfortable carrying cocked and locked.)

Thanks for the reassurance....Range report when I get the gun next week.
 
Thanks kcofohio.

I installed both the new Apex trigger, and the spring kit at the same time. Maybe I got lucky but my trigger is not gritty at all now. Very smooth consistent pull. I should probably measure it to see how many lbs. it is now. Been meaning to do that to satisfy my curiosity. But for a double-action only gun, it's about as good as it gets. Reminds me of my old 4046 trigger now, which I liked a lot.

Maybe it's my training, but I'm much more comfortable carrying a DA only gun than a cocked and locked SA. I see guys carrying SA's cocked and locked and just wonder sometimes. Plus I don't like going back and forth between DA and SA triggers. Esp. in a stressful situation.

Anyway, I think I gave $250 for my SD40VE (used) and now another $50 for the trigger job plus an hour of my time. I doubt there's another $300 gun out there that shoots as well or is as reliable or easy to maintain as this one.
 
I did the Apex spring kit on my SD40VE and while function testing it, I got two rounds fail to fire out of 300. IIRC, these were 165gr Speer Gold Dots, though they might have been Federal HSTs as I was testing both that day. Both times I put the round in the next mag and they both fired on a second try.

I put the OEM striker spring back in and had no further issues since.

When I used the Apex kit on my SD9 later, I just kept the S&W striker spring from the get go.
 
Good info. I just ordered a SD9VE (I have a SD9) and concurrently ordered the Apex Trigger and their Spring Kit, plus the NDZ takedown lever. My old SD9 has a smooth and moderately light trigger but of course the long pull.

When I install the Apex trigger, I will pay particular attention to the fitting at the back. I had ordered an Apex trigger for my older SD9 and couldn't make it work, and even had Flork at Apex try to help me out (without sending the gun to them). He remilled the trigger and I tried again, but couldn't get it to work properly. I think my SD9, being a relatively early gun, just wasn't set up to work with the trigger, and I wasn't smart enough to make it work. I don't hold Apex accountable for this problem -- they tried to help, and spent a lot of time doing so, and had I sent the gun to them, I bet they would have been able to make it work.

I also had a conversation with Flork by email about trying to find a black slide for a SD9VE -- his thought was, if it is really important, send the "in the white" (silver colored) slide off to someone like CCR for a black Cerakote finish. I may do that later.

Final thought -- I may retain the standard striker spring in the slide, since reliability is my #1 requirement from any gun. One light strike/failure to ignite is one too many.
 
This is pretty interesting. I've got a SD9VE and really like it, aside from the trigger of course.

Would just the springs be good enough to make the pull manageable, or do you need the new trigger as well?
 
I put an Apex trigger and spring kit in my SD40VE and it really improved things. I didn't have to do any filing with mine.
 
Keep your eyes open and you can get one cheap. I got one LNIB for right around $200. The trigger kit sounds like a good idea. Mine functions just fine, but the trigger pull is so poor that I rarely shoot it.
 
Is it not true that modifying your carry gun to change the way it fires can work against you in a situation where you end up killing or shooting someone?
Many experts who have no problem with highly modified target guns, or competition guns, never mess around with their carry gun?
I am pretty sure Mr Ayoob has eluded to this several times over the years, and assuming my memory is correct, he would be the one that would know.
To a jury this could be seen much more pertinent when it came to your guilt or innocence as to why you felt it necessary to get your gun to shoot faster than the stock gun would.
I like modifications myself so it's not a personal attack, I just really want to know for my own guns.
 
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Glad to hear this. The SD9 is attracting me, one of the budget minded semi loaders around from a good manufacturer. I've been looking at the various videos-comments about the Apex additions and yours echo's the transformation with this installed. :)

One of the larger chain stores has these at $350 down from $399. There's better pricing if hunting though I've not seen any at the $299-$325 yet.
Buds Gun Shop has both the SD9VE and the SD40VE for $311 shipped. I would get one if I did not already have both calibers in full sized M & Ps.
 
The local shop had an SD9VE and I played with the display the other day. Definitely could use a trigger job and that particular one had been dry fired enough. This is a nice feeling gun in the hand. Will revist this next year. I picked up an HK P2000 so a 30 day wait period. Maybe some good after Christmas sales will come up for a layaway. :)
 
This is pretty interesting. I've got a SD9VE and really like it, aside from the trigger of course.

Would just the springs be good enough to make the pull manageable, or do you need the new trigger as well?

I first did the Apex spring kit on my SD40VE and then did the Apex trigger a few months later.

Just the springs will reduce the pull weight down to ~6 to 6.5 lbs. Not too bad, but the feel of the trigger will be the same - very long pull.

The replacement trigger changes the feel entirely (and drops the weight just a tad more). With both the spring kit and the new trigger it is much like any other good striker fired gun. Short pull with a nice crisp break at about 5.5 lbs.

And SD with those mods an an M&P steel rear sight makes the gun a pretty decent value.
 
Trigger enhancments, SD9 and 111G2

Hi All, 4/17/2016


I Have the SD9VE,And the Taurus PT 111 G2, among others
Like Most people, feel that the Triggers ( is or Are ).......Well, Needs improvement, and First off, I'm a Certified GM tech and Not a Gunsmith
But Have Been In the Automotive Business for over 40 years, I Have several
Firearms and Most will get the same Treatment That I perform on them , The SD9
Model suffers from Casting Slags Mostly in the striker system , as does the PT 111 G2, and most Strker fired Guns, if you remove the slide and work the striker by hand, you will feel the crunchiness of the striker, The trick is to remove the binding from the striker assembly. ( if your are the kind of Guy that will stab yourself with a screwdriver then This is not for you )

You will have to remove the striker cover off of the slide , Tools
Needed , Variable speed Dremel tool and Bit set,( Deluxe set) Small Jewelers set of screw drivers, , 3 punch set, small set, assorted, Magnifying Glass or Jewelers loop , Finishing sandpaper , 400,600,1000,(2000 if available) 1000 should do the
trick, 400 and 600 to clean surface's, Qtips and Your Choice of Gun cleaners the Taurus is a Little more involved to clean up,

For the SD9 Insert small Tip of Flat tipped screwdriver
to remove striker cover ,it will slide down , May have to Move Bushing forward, Just a little, Remove spring , watch out for small collets Don't lose
them , remove plastic slide bushing that The striker is in, Note you will see
two or black lines inside of Bushing assembly, Put off to side for later, we'll
get back to that , Take a look at the striker, On the end which rides into the
Bushing , Run Your finger tip along the edges , you will feel Machining or
stamping Marks, The trick to remove those edges , or really just clean them up,
so it does not binding or drag in the bushing , only remove enough so you do not feel the burrs anymore, It does not take much, polish striker pin assembly with 1000 only NOT THE POINTY END!!! leave it alone!!! put off to side, On both the Taurus and the SD, Lightly clean up the Plastic collets, Lightly! just enough to remove small casting burs, You can do this when Fully assembled, it easier,

Back to Plastic Bushing , If you have a Jewelers loop or Magnifying Glass you can look inside where the lines are that where the Crunchiness came from The striker was digging in to the plastic, Lightly clean up with 1000, also smooth out the Outside of Bushing too, The bushing should slide in and out , of upper slide, No binding, it should not be tight , if it is tight it will choke the striker , (My Taurus PT 111 G2 had this Problem But Worse! Now smooth as silk!!, That's another Forum But same Idea, Take some White Ultra fine Polishing compound (Turtle wax) and Mobil 1 very small amount just to keep the compound from drying out , Dab on a Small Artist Brush, Small amount coat inside of bore,and Plastic bushing , reassemble and Make sure it Moves freely, , Complete the assembly and
test You should Feel it Immediately, if done correctly , You can test just
working the striker inside the Upper slide, No more crunchiness, Your trigger system will feel completely different! and will Help you from Jerking or snatching the trigger , as from before the fight was to over power the trigger,This works for
ALL STRIKER fired hand Guns , Find out where the stamping Burrs are and remove them

Now the Taurus is a little more work, When you remove the Rear cap for the Striker, You Must bring the orange Bushing forward a little be careful not to overly scratch the bushing , once apart , you will notice that The Bushing does not slide out easy,( Make sure that the Trigger locking system is Fully Disengaged) this is where some of the binding is taking Place, The plastic Bushing is deformed for 3 reasons, The way its Manufactured, The Stamping process for the trigger locking system , and the Tightness of fitting in the slide bore, this needs to be really Cleaned out, this done in 2 parts, a dremel tool is required, a small cone shaped Bit , the Hole in the Bushing Needs to enlarged alittle and some what beveled, on the inside of the hole the trick is to clean up the Bruising Marks ,



When (the or A) Part is stamped, it creates(plastic Burs) and Because its a Hole it deforms the plastic, So when Pulling the striker it feels like a Stepping crunchiness , like a dead space, Clean out use the 1000 to clean inside , Roll finishing Paper like Barrel and slide through Bushing , clean up , Now for the Striker, Same Process as the SD9 Disassemble and find the Burs or slag marks , Clean up with 600, and then 1000, Note: SD9 had More problem areas on the striker, Taurus Not so much, more on the bushing side , NOW for the Slide, The plastic bushing fits too tight in Bore of Slide , this is where it chokes the Striker pin, we do this with a Dremel tool and the Small sanding Barrel, Dremel used with a speed control, clean out bore with sanding barrel and WD 40,( make sure that Trigger locking system is Fully disengaged ) clean out enough material to let the bushing slide freely you want the Bushing to be secure,Not sloppy or too loose but Slides fairly easy,because in the stock bore size,The bore changes the shape of the bushing, distorts it, You can Use Qtips and Bore cleaner to clean out any and all Mods,


Take the Bushing and slide into bore and test fit, also align with trigger locking system and make sure that there is more than enough clearance for lock to engage , if you are so inclined to use it, I do Not, Make sure that it does not sweep the bushing, if you engaged the lock,and try to use the trigger, you will create Burs, Lock is Metal, Bushing is Plastic, enough said, Used Polishing compound mix , lightly coat said parts, as with the SD9, reassemble and test fit, test Striker, results are Immediate, Your striker has no more resistance other than Spring energey, I’ve have done this on My SR9, SR9E, PT111G2, SD9ve, Any striker fired Fire arm will benefit from this Surface preparation in the slides, All are totally different Now, No More fighting the trigger, The trigger pulls are , SD9 5.9 , PT111 G2 5.7-6.0 DA 5.5 SA , SR9 & E 5.5 for both The SRs had Nice triggers,Now Like OMG!! Better!!!! IMO ,I did not want to spend thousands rounds of ammo to get an OK Trigger, I wanted a great trigger, and each Gun is different, The trigger linkage is pretty much stock on all guns,Except the SD9VE, needed a bit more, Have Gallaway full spring kit, except the striker spring ,Fits way too tight, did not want to sacrifice Striker spring energy, Apex trigger and Sear pivot mods,totally different gun Now,if this Helps anybody out there Great, God Bless

Thanks for Listening Boys and Girls,

BigAl512 :)
 
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