They broke into my vehicle last night, and was just wondering what i could have done.. they were in my property by the way. If i were to have seen them inside my vehicle. would i have been able to fire at him??? and if I did fired at him what would happen if i happened to shoot and hit him...?? I'm I the one ine trouble...even though he was in my area... someone let me know....here in TEXAS
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ReadyontheRight
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Pretty stupid to shoot someone over STUFF.
Aside from the moral issues, you'd probably end up spending quite a bit of time with your local law enforcement and shelling out $10K+ for a lawyer.
There ARE times when 911 is better. Even for trolls.
Aside from the moral issues, you'd probably end up spending quite a bit of time with your local law enforcement and shelling out $10K+ for a lawyer.
There ARE times when 911 is better. Even for trolls.
Probably not a good Idea to fire at him in your call..
The Mess for one makes it prohibitive..
The cost of replacing a window and detailing a car = alot of ammunition...
I would call the cops and then yell to the hey I'm calling the cops..
That way he either runs(most likely), or charges you (hopefully not)...
If he charges you, then you shoot him. Also this should keep the mess out of your car..
If he runs get a good description and let the Police deal with it from there..
Either way he stopped stealing your stuff.
One thing to remeber in this whole thing..
1. You pay insurance for a reason. It's there job to replace stolen stuff.
2. As much as it sucks to have a scumbag stealing stuff out of your car... It sucks even worse to live in a large concrete building with an entire population of scumbags..
The Mess for one makes it prohibitive..
The cost of replacing a window and detailing a car = alot of ammunition...
I would call the cops and then yell to the hey I'm calling the cops..
That way he either runs(most likely), or charges you (hopefully not)...
If he charges you, then you shoot him. Also this should keep the mess out of your car..
If he runs get a good description and let the Police deal with it from there..
Either way he stopped stealing your stuff.
One thing to remeber in this whole thing..
1. You pay insurance for a reason. It's there job to replace stolen stuff.
2. As much as it sucks to have a scumbag stealing stuff out of your car... It sucks even worse to live in a large concrete building with an entire population of scumbags..
jonnyc
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In most/all states, lethal force may NOT be used to protect stuff, just life or limb. Anyone who does not know or understand that has no business carrying.
ABSOLUTELY!!!jonnyc said:
You are NEVER justified in discharging your weapon for the purpose of protection of property. Immediate threat to your life or the life of another is the ONLY justification for drawing your firearm out of its holster.
Failing to abide by those laws pretty much guarantees you a stay in a concrete room maintained by the government.
maybe i'm not as well to do as the rest here, but if somebody stole or damaged my car that i depend on to get to school and both my jobs, i would be screwed.
i would have no problem putting several bullets into a thief.{ unfortionally it's not legal to do }
i would have no problem putting several bullets into a thief.{ unfortionally it's not legal to do }
Working Man
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TMM said:
I believe you are correct, but you should check the codes first.
Double Naught Spy
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You can use lethal force to stop a crime on your property at night with some conditions involved. If the conditions are met, then it is legal. Go to the TDPS web site http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ and follow links to concealed handguns, laws, etc. and they have the lethal force statutes provided...as that is a key topic taught in CHL classes.
Is stuff worth a human life? I don't know. That's not really my decision or concern. That would be the decision and concern of the person attempting to steal my stuff. My concerns will be to protect of my family, my self, and then the protectoin of any aspect of our domain within the constraints of the law. I may or may not decide to exercise my rights of protection as it pertains to "stuff," but it is nice to know that the option is available.
Besides, how does one ascertain that a burglary of a vehicle is the only goal of the bad guys you find burglarizing your vehicle in the night? How does one compensate for the feelings of insecurity, invasion of privacy, etc. that these types of crimes often bring?
Is stuff worth a human life? I don't know. That's not really my decision or concern. That would be the decision and concern of the person attempting to steal my stuff. My concerns will be to protect of my family, my self, and then the protectoin of any aspect of our domain within the constraints of the law. I may or may not decide to exercise my rights of protection as it pertains to "stuff," but it is nice to know that the option is available.
Besides, how does one ascertain that a burglary of a vehicle is the only goal of the bad guys you find burglarizing your vehicle in the night? How does one compensate for the feelings of insecurity, invasion of privacy, etc. that these types of crimes often bring?
Texas Penal Code § 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
You might prevail in a criminal trial, but you'd probably lose in a civil trial.
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
You might prevail in a criminal trial, but you'd probably lose in a civil trial.
If i were to have seen them inside my vehicle. would i have been able to fire at him?
Would you want a judge and jury to answer that for you? What if he was carrying something you couldn't see, like a child?
Not advisable to shoot in the situation you present. Better to call law enforcement and make a huge ruckus by yelling and screaming curses at the guy, or grab a video camera and shoot *pictures* of him in the act. Zoom, click, prosecute.
jmm
Would you want a judge and jury to answer that for you? What if he was carrying something you couldn't see, like a child?
Not advisable to shoot in the situation you present. Better to call law enforcement and make a huge ruckus by yelling and screaming curses at the guy, or grab a video camera and shoot *pictures* of him in the act. Zoom, click, prosecute.
jmm
If you're angry then it's not a good shoot.
If you're afraid then it is.
People aren't afraid when they see someone breaking into their car, they're MAD. That should answer youre question.
If you're afraid then it is.
People aren't afraid when they see someone breaking into their car, they're MAD. That should answer youre question.
AnthonyRSS
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Who here thinks it is morally reprehensible to shoot someone that is stealing your stuff?
So why do armored...
car guards carry guns? Wouldn't the same "we don't shoot people for stealing stuff" thinking apply to the "stuff" belonging to banks and businesses? Shouldn't those employees just call the police, yell that they've called the police, and then "be a good witness". Afterall, aren't banks insured?
migoi
car guards carry guns? Wouldn't the same "we don't shoot people for stealing stuff" thinking apply to the "stuff" belonging to banks and businesses? Shouldn't those employees just call the police, yell that they've called the police, and then "be a good witness". Afterall, aren't banks insured?
migoi
TexasRifleman
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This has got to be the most glaring TROLL post I've seen here in a VERY long time........
Yes, you should always shoot people to protect your stuff, especially in Texas.
We would make you mayor. Happy now?
Yes, you should always shoot people to protect your stuff, especially in Texas.
We would make you mayor. Happy now?
Dave P
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migoi said:
Also an excellent response. We work hard for our posessions - at lot of sweat and tears are in that car or truck. But also need to consider non-leathal responses.
Oleg Volk
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Shooting thieves may be legally impractical but it is morally reasonable. Their worth is negative because they are trying to victimize you. As people have pointed out, their actions could cause a cascade of nagative consequences, starting with the inability to get to work. In short, they should depend on your forebearance and not on the law protecting their worthless hides. Thieves = varmints. You'd have no problem with shooting rats, would you?
Let me make it clear..
I am NOT advocating anyone shooting anyone for stealing. The questions I posed though do pop into my mind everytime is see references to shooting people for property crimes.
I am very clear that in Hawaii I can use deadly force in five situations... to stop someone from killing an innocent, stop someone from causing serious bodily harm to an innocent, to stop a rape, to stop a kidnapping, and to stop forcible sodomy.
Since it is unlikely folks robbing an armored car are intent on doing anything but taking the money how do the companies justify arming the drivers? If the driver was unarmed wouldn't the robbers simply take the money and leave. That is what is expected of me if I am confronted on the street (CCW being impossible to obtain here).
Just questions I have yet to see a good answer for.
migoi
I am NOT advocating anyone shooting anyone for stealing. The questions I posed though do pop into my mind everytime is see references to shooting people for property crimes.
I am very clear that in Hawaii I can use deadly force in five situations... to stop someone from killing an innocent, stop someone from causing serious bodily harm to an innocent, to stop a rape, to stop a kidnapping, and to stop forcible sodomy.
Since it is unlikely folks robbing an armored car are intent on doing anything but taking the money how do the companies justify arming the drivers? If the driver was unarmed wouldn't the robbers simply take the money and leave. That is what is expected of me if I am confronted on the street (CCW being impossible to obtain here).
Just questions I have yet to see a good answer for.
migoi
GoBrush
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ReadyontheRight said:
+1
The-Fly
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AnthonyRSS said:
not me. I've had my car stolen 3 times ! And they've never been expensive cars, just basic toyota's. This may sound blood thirsty, but i'd love to see a law in my state allowing you to shoot car theives on sight. I have ZERO respect for such scum. After all, we used to shoot horse theives.
That is not correct, and the other post which quotes from the TX penal code only quotes PART of the section involving the use of force and deadly force to protect property.
The code is quite complicated and does NOT protect you from a civil suit even if you satisfy the numerous and complicated restrictions that would allow a legal shooting.
You could go out armed and confront the thief (not pointing the gun yet, but with it in a holster). If the thief then chooses to escalate the situation to one of force or deadly force then you may respond in self-defense.
One thing that people forget in all this is that the criminal may not be helpless. Besides the legal and practical issues involved, there is a very real possibility that you may end up injured, maimed or dead over the situation.
You should try to learn the applicable law to the best of your ability and then carefully consider all the problems that may arise (your death, your injury, your prosecution, civil suit, etc.). Clearly you can't do that on the fly, you should have a pretty good idea about your criminal and civil liabilities, as well as the practical issues BEFORE something like this happens.
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