selling a handgun in gunbroker.com

[efeng9622]

If I selling a gun in gunbroker.com, the buyer paid in full, I shipping the gun to his FFL, but finally he failed to be approved to pick up the gun. what will happend? if the gun still under my name , who take resposibiliy to send it back to me ? his FFL dealer?
for example ,if the gun price is $400, the shipping and FFL fee ( back to me about $80.-&90) how about the rest $320/00 ? has the gunbroker any policy for this kind of refund? this is not my fault, but if the gun still under my name, I have to take it .

Thanks.

 

[Landgroove]

How did the receiving FFL manage to OK the shipment if the end user wasn't approved to get a gun?

 

[243winxb]

How i see it. May be totally WRONG.

It is the buyers responsibility to be in compliance with all Federal, state, and local laws when using Gunbroke. ( GB opinion, may not be correct?)

See, "Can i buy" here.https://www.gunbroker.com/c/user/howtobuy/#:~:text=Anyone who is legally allowed,dealer to buy a firearm.

Buyer must make arrangements with their FFL Holder before placing a bid on an item. By contacting the FFL Holder before bidding, the buyer can verify that all state and federal laws will be observed. (Can verification be done before bidding or shipping?)

The buyer did not do this? Its all on the buyer. His problem @ his cost. Gun has been transfered to FFL.

Personally, i got my money for the item i sold. I'm done.

 

[kwb377]

How did the receiving FFL manage to OK the shipment if the end user wasn't approved to get a gun?

A 4473 isn't done until the transfer is made to the buyer...there is no "pre-approval". And the FFL doesn't "OK" the shipment...I've bought several guns on GB, and there are numerous dealers that have their FFL on file with GB so I don't even have to contact them to send a copy...I merely inform them that I have a gun enroute.

 

[wayneinFL]

I agree with the issue being completely on the buyer.

Let's say the buyer has something like misdemeanor domestic violence on his record. He can't be allowed to access or possess the firearm. Is there any reason the shop can't sell the firearm for him on consignment?

 

[efeng9622]

I agree with the issue being completely on the buyer.
Let's say the buyer has something like misdemeanor domestic violence on his record. He can't be allowed to access or possess the firearm. Is there any reason the shop can't sell the firearm for him on consignment?

Yes, if buyer can put the gun in consignment and finally sold it, seller no need worry about , as long as it is legal to sell.

 

[PzGren]

First, many FFL holders try to survive by offering FFL interstate transfers and have their FFL listed on GB. If somebody buys a gun, he can use the GB FFL finder to find an FFL dealer in his area that offers the service. The FFL will be downloadable by the seller.
The buyer pays the seller, he pays the purchase price, shipping, sales tax and 1% convenience fee and when the gun arrives at the FFL that does the transfer, the receiving FFL hopes that his prayers have been answered and that the sender has included an FFL/D.L. and the contact info of the buyer.

I had a guy with a California address buy a gun from me with instructions to send it to an Arizona FFL and he sent the funds before I noticed the discrepancy. When I noticed it, I did not ask but assumed that he was an Arizona resident with a secondary residence in California. That wasn't the case. He could not legally own the gun in Arizona, the Arizona FFL sent the gun back to me and I refunded the customer the purchase price minus shipping both ways and a minor restocking fee for re-entering the pistol into my books.
It wasn't a fun deal with lots and lots of mails between the receiving FFL and me but life isn't perfect and I think that the buyer had made an honest mistake after talking to him.

 

[P89DCSS]

.....if the gun still under my name , who take resposibiliy to send it back to me ? his FFL dealer?....

No one will be responsible for shipping the gun back to you. You've fulfilled your side of the deal. Buyer breeched and now buyer has to make arrangements with the ship-to FFL for the disposition of the firearm. Seller is done. Seller has receipt of sale and shipment details, the firearm is no longer "in his name" for proof the the ATF and local authorities that the firearm was properly transferred.

 

[PzGren]

If I selling a gun in gunbroker.com, the buyer paid in full, I shipping the gun to his FFL, but finally he failed to be approved to pick up the gun. what will happend? if the gun still under my name , who take resposibiliy to send it back to me ? his FFL dealer?
for example ,if the gun price is $400, the shipping and FFL fee ( back to me about $80.-&90) how about the rest $320/00 ? has the gunbroker any policy for this kind of refund? this is not my fault, but if the gun still under my name, I have to take it .

Thanks.

When a licensed dealer receives a firearm he has to enter it into his books by the end of the next business day. It is at the seller's discretion to allow a return and negotiate the refund with the buyer. If the receiving FFL does not want to put the gun up on consignment for the buyer with the failed background check - as it was the case that I described above, you can help the buyer out and accept the return, as I did but I am a licensed dealer. Of course, you should be reimbursed for all cost incurred, shipping the least of them.

The problem is that once a FFL dealer has entered the gun into his book, a dealer might not feel comfortable to send it back to a non-FFL in an interstate transaction without consulting the ATF but rather help the buyer to sell it or buy it directly from him.

A lot of times a simple phone call can settle things very well.

 

[CZ-75BD]

I sold gun on GB, and buyer never picked it up. I never had any issue with that. FFL that received gun contacted my FFL who sent the gun and I just been informed that it was sorted out. When I shipped my gun via FFL it was transfer to FFL who shipped.

 

[dogtown tom]

The problem is that once a FFL dealer has entered the gun into his book, a dealer might not feel comfortable to send it back to a non-FFL in an interstate transaction without consulting the ATF but rather help the buyer to sell it or buy it directly from him.
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An FFL cannot return the gun directly to a nonlicensee in another state. It would have to be sent to an FFL in the sellers state.

 

[PzGren]

An FFL cannot return the gun directly to a nonlicensee in another state. It would have to be sent to an FFL in the sellers state.

That's my understanding as well.