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Semi auto .308 recommendation

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Hi all, I've got a friend that is looking for recommendations for a semi-auto .308. He is looking for something similar to an H&K PSG-1 type setup. Something tactical and something that you can swap out the pistol grip to something aftermarket. Just looking for some different ideas, maybe I can give him something he hasn't considered yet. Didn't really give me a budget, but it does have to be something that is legally obtained in the U.S. :(


Thanks in advance for any recommendations that I can gather info on and give to him.

EDIT: He is already considering an AR-10 but is looking for other options.
 
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Looks good but is the handle integrated into the lower group? One thing he said he wanted is the option to swap out the handle.

I will still definitely bring this to his attention though.
 
Thanks for the input, I should have mentioned he is already considered the AR-10 but (for whatever reason) isn't all that interested.
 
VEPR .308 or Saiga .308 in 16". Very handy rifles. Accurate, easily scoped, and has iron sights. With the right side mount you can co-witness, or take the scope off in seconds without tools.
 
I've seen some really cool tactical stocks for the M1A. It would be an attention getter at every range you went to.
 
The VEPR looks good to me (don't know if he'll like it). I see it's available in 7.62x54R that makes me want to pick one up, cheaper ammo plus I already have a bunch :)
 
You want something as ACCURATE as a PSG-1, semi-auto, 20 round box mags, go look up FN AR. Those babies are sweet shooting rifles. (Sub 0.5 MOA, for me)

They don't LOOK all bad-ass like a PSG-1, but ... they are every bit as accurate. For a semi-auto 308, that's damned impressive.
 
I have an Armalite AR-10 and love it so that is what I would recommend. You said he isn't interested in that so I would suggest something like the PTR-91 (although I do not have experience with one). If he wants something tactical I am having a hard time seeing where the AR-10 falls short. Customizing one is simple, mine went from this:

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to this:

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By just changing the rail, gas block, stock, and trigger guard (and scope of course)
 
Hi all, I've got a friend that is looking for recommendations for a semi-auto .308. He is looking for something similar to an H&K PSG-1 type setup. Something tactical and something that you can swap out the pistol grip to something aftermarket. Just looking for some different ideas, maybe I can give him something he hasn't considered yet. Didn't really give me a budget, but it does have to be something that is legally obtained in the U.S.


Thanks in advance for any recommendations that I can gather info on and give to him.

EDIT: He is already considering an AR-10 but is looking for other options.

It's a mutual friend - one important addition - He's looking for a precision rifle he can use out to 800 yards. To me, this precludes the Saiga .308. He doesn't want to go the AR-10 route simply because he wants to try something different.

I've seen some really cool tactical stocks for the M1A.

He doesn't like the balance of the M1A's, although I don't know if he's considered the McMillan (among other) aftermarket stocks.


800 yard precision rifle accurate? I have no experience with the FAL's except fondling a few that a friend has.

go look up FN AR.

That's what I suggested to him.
 
Something tactical and something that you can swap out the pistol grip to something aftermarket

FNAR is guaranteed 1MOA out of the box, and the pistol grip everyone seems to hate can be easily switched with the Browning Shortrak buttstock for ~80$. Mags are around 60$ (in 5, 10 , and 20rnd), but will last forever.

From Brownings website, this is what the butt stock looks like (since browningguy already put up an awesome FNAR photo). It's a bit large for imbedding:http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/images/images-by-title-name/BAR-ShortTrac-Stalker-MID-031330-l.jpg

TCB
 
I've heard rumors that there's a new FN-AR coming out with a McMillan stock.

Still haven't seen one yet, but sounds interesting.

I've always been a fan of Choate stocks, personally. But the "stock" stock is too light, IMO. Needs a bit of weight on the rear to balance the rifle better.
 
What I have never understood, by the way, is how FN Herstal can put out a combat shotgun that takes AR15 stocks and grips, but didn't make the FN AR able to accept them.

Sometimes companies do stuff that just.. boggles me.

If you could swap that pistol grip on the FN-AR out for a Hogue, and add a touch of weight to the rear of the stock, it'd be perfect. :)
 
Still haven't seen one yet, but sounds interesting.
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I've heard rumors that there's a new FN-AR coming out with a McMillan stock.

Sadly, that's all it ever was. McMillan made a prototype, which FNH wisely showed off at SHOT, then stupidly put on their product webpage, and no more were ever made since the deal fell through soon thereafter. Odd, because this stock is talked about as much as the rifle itself by people aware of it. Apparently the McMillan has a totally different interface with the rifle than the factory stock, and significant modifications were needed.

Although, the BAR is so prevalent and such an old design, I'd imagine there's been at least some aftermarket support over the years, I just haven't looked into it. From the reports I've seen, the back end of the rifle is the same as any other BAR, but the heavy barrel means the foregrips aren't interchangeable. If you want weight in the rear, it's hollow, you can always add some wheel-weights :D. Most folks complain the FNAR is too heavy already, but then again, most people don't own PKM's:evil:

Sometimes companies do stuff that just.. boggles me.

I may not have my chronology right, but the FNAR was one of the first design collaborations of FNH and Browning after the merger. In order to bring it to market quickly and cheaply, it appears they weren't allowed to change the BAR design much, if at all. My theory is they simply slapped on a better barrel, and put better QC checks on a production line to create the "accurized BAR". The other differences are basically cosmetic. Was the shotgun you describe an "FNH Proper" design, or another mash-up? That might be why they have such different design goals. If the FNAR sticks around much longer, I suspect it's stock will be upgraded with something more adjustable or customizable, since that's the no. 1 complaint of customers (besides mag prices).

TCB
 
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I would have really liked that McMillan stock if it had ever come out, but to be honest with the replacement comb pieces and recoil pads for length of pull the factory stock is pretty comfortable to me.
 
It's a mutual friend - one important addition - He's looking for a precision rifle he can use out to 800 yards. To me, this precludes the Saiga .308. He doesn't want to go the AR-10 route simply because he wants to try something different.
There's a reason that AR-10s dominate this realm. They work. Really well. The design is inherently accurate and adding a heavier/better barrel is simply a matter of plug and play. The aftermarket is deeper than anything else out there that has any business being called a precision semi-auto rifle.

800yds is fairly demanding on the shooter and rifle unless all you plan to do is shoot minute of panel van at that range. Being handicapped with a rifle that isn't very consistent makes it that much more challenging if not impossible. If you don't know if the miss was because of you or the rifle it's very frustrating and improving your skills is all but impossible.
 
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