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Semi-Auto Shotgun Cycling Speed

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We were sitting around at the end of the work day discussing guns, specifically the Saiga-12 I recently picked up (we seem to have a theme going here in the shotgun forum). I said something about the Saiga allegedly being one of the fastest cycling semis on the market. My buddy (who happens to own, love, use, & abuse a Super Black Eagle) says "nooooo, Benellis are the fastest!" :rolleyes:

Now before I get a lecture, I know that any semi will likely cycle faster than I can recover and aim the next shot, but this is simply a bragging rights kind of question.

I tried researching this myself, but all I came up with was a marketing claim that the new Winchester SX3 was faster than the Benelli. I also found claims that the old A-5s were the fastest thing going. Does anyone have any data regarding cycling speed, or know where to look for such a thing, just to settle this? Specifically I'm interested in Saiga vs. Benelli, but I'd like to know where they all fall in line.
 
Dunno, though my guess would be the SX3.

FWIW the fastest lock time goes to the Remington 3200.
Which is an O/U for those not familiar with this fine old shotgun.

Oh, there are those that can run a pump gun faster than a semi. Guns most often used are Win Model 12 and Ithaca 37.

*blink*
 
An old long recoil A-5 and clones can be pretty slow, which is kinda nice actually.
Always wondered why I did best in trap with my 3200 !
BTW my M-1 Super 90 does seem a tiny bit faster cycling than my brand new Saiga, which means -nothing.
 
Over the years I have shot a Remington "Sportsman" 20-Ga, a Browning A-5, a Rem 1100 and a Winchester (don't remember the model).

All of them cycled faster than I could re-acquire a target.
 
All the information I can find seems to point to the new Win. Super X3, but I couldn't find anything about the Saiga. Someone at SGW had 5 round strings timed with the SX3 and Ben. SBE, and the Winchester was consistently .1 (or maybe it was .01) second faster per round. If anyone here has a timer, I'd be willing to bring the S-12 and generate our own data...
 
I have limited experience with autos but I just picked up a Winchester Sx3 Walnut Field and Its defenately the fastest I've ever used. I've shot 1100's, Benelli's and Beretta's and so far the SX3 is my favorite, not to mention the cheaper of the bunch. I'm able to out run the trigger on an 1100 but havnt been able to do it on the Winchester. That doesnt mean anything as far as hunting goes because they all cycle faster than most ppl can get on target. But it sure ups the fun factor ripping through 11 rounds in under 2 seconds.
 
I would venture a guess that the older and no longer imported Benelli M1-121 is probably pretty close to the top.
 
SX-3 can boast about having the fastest recorded time for firing 12 shots, but that's mostly a testament to their pro shooter (name escapes me right now, but you can find him on youtube). And isn't the SX-3 mechanically the same as the Browning Gold & Silver? If so, they should be just as fast.
 
Thats true, Patrick Flanigan has got the skill required to push the sx3 to the limit, plus he's very in tune with his gun and its timing. If it were just the gun lots of ppl would have speed records also. When I was shopping around for an autoloader I considered the Browning also but liked the dark grey finish on the Winchester so thats what I went with. But I believe your right in that they use the same mechanical components. The Browning Maxus I think it is, is supposedly an imporved version of the sx3 but so far doesnt come in a walnut version. Curious to see how that thing performs.
 
A fast cycle speed doesnt matter, but it doest hurt anything either. Especially from a marketing point of view. To me reliability, ease of maintanece and price are more important.
 
Marketing? Echi..:barf:

Cycle, settle and assess target to see if a second application of force is necessary. Usually once is enough.

I did like the AA12. But the insurance will not support replacing one end wall plus three rooms of my home.
 
I have had a couple friends over the years that could "out run" a Benelli Super 90. They shot a lot, one in competition. I cannot do that. I see the point in considering cycle time if you can run the gun that fast.

I suspect there are quite a few fast autoloaders running in that speed range now. My SLP seemed to me as quick as my Benelli. I had a Saiga 12, and it seemed quite quick in cycling. I have an Excell right now that runs like a banshee and feeds everything I through at it. I understand it to be a copy of a Franchi 912. I guess my point is if you cannot run the gun that fast, but want a quick cycling shotgun, there are a number of good choices out there that are sure to please.

John
 
Well, I'll say it one more time: I'm not looking for a fast cycling gun, there's probably not an auto made I could accurately outshoot. I'm just trying to settle a friendly argument between me (S-12 owner) and my friend (Ben. SBE owner). I still suspect the gas-operated gun would be faster, but have no proof, anecdotal or otherwise.

So far, I have seen no evidence of anything faster than the Win SX3, which a trick shooter ran 12 rounds through in 1.442 s, and can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsku5nScBf8

They're pretty proud of it.
 
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