Senate Staffer Busted For Carrying Webb’s Loaded Gun
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cbsbyte
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Alot of partisan complaning on this site.
Its seems all the Republicans on this board are still fuming about Webb win over Allen. Don't jump on Webb to much remember he is one of the good guys in congress. He is pro RKBA, and is not a typical liberal Democrat.
Its seems all the Republicans on this board are still fuming about Webb win over Allen. Don't jump on Webb to much remember he is one of the good guys in congress. He is pro RKBA, and is not a typical liberal Democrat.
cngerms
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NO, NOT ALL REPUBLICANS. Read the thread before you lump us all together. No one is fuming over the election. You're the first one to bring it up, I believe. This has NOTHING to do with Webb vs. Allen. It has everything to do with elites vs. subjects IF THE MEDIA ACTUALLY HAS THE STORY RIGHT. Which I doubt!
Webb on the issues:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261368,00.html
Webb told The Richmond Times Dispatch in December that he considers himself a "strong Second Amendment person" but said he does not carry a gun to work.
"I don't carry personally regularly. I shoot regularly. I like to have the option to carry, which is why I keep the permit," he said. "I value the opportunity to be able to protect myself, depending on situations. But no, I don't walk around with a weapon on me all of the time," he told the newspaper.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/James_Webb.htm
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http://www.webbforsenate.com/issues/
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Mr Webb is pretty silent so it seems on 2A Rights....either my "Google Fu" is weak today or he just hasn't said much on the issue....I hope he'll come out Pro 2A when he's needed most.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261368,00.html
Webb told The Richmond Times Dispatch in December that he considers himself a "strong Second Amendment person" but said he does not carry a gun to work.
"I don't carry personally regularly. I shoot regularly. I like to have the option to carry, which is why I keep the permit," he said. "I value the opportunity to be able to protect myself, depending on situations. But no, I don't walk around with a weapon on me all of the time," he told the newspaper.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/James_Webb.htm
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http://www.webbforsenate.com/issues/
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Mr Webb is pretty silent so it seems on 2A Rights....either my "Google Fu" is weak today or he just hasn't said much on the issue....I hope he'll come out Pro 2A when he's needed most.
cbsbyte
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Your right. I will correct myself in saying some Republicans are still annoyed that Webb beat Allen, and are using this event to show distain for Senator Webb. If this was Allen they would be defending him to the last man.
lacoochee
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Why is this being broken down by party line? This has nothing to do with whether or not Webb has a little d or a little r next to his name. It has to do with the fact that our gun laws have gotten so byzantine that a former marine and aid to a US Senator will likely be charged with a felony for unknowingly trying to enter the Capitol building with a Senators gun.
Most of us at sometime or another has unwittingly broken some gun law for which we could have gone to jail, so we should have sympathy. We should take this incident and use it to illustrate just how crazy we have gotten in this country.
In so far, as Webb and gun rights go, he promised during the campaign that he would also carry the torch for National Park carry, he still hasn't stepped up but maybe he will.
Most of us at sometime or another has unwittingly broken some gun law for which we could have gone to jail, so we should have sympathy. We should take this incident and use it to illustrate just how crazy we have gotten in this country.
In so far, as Webb and gun rights go, he promised during the campaign that he would also carry the torch for National Park carry, he still hasn't stepped up but maybe he will.
Why do you people keep complaining about partisanship? One guy called Webb a d-bag (maybe he dislikes him personally) and one guy mentioned that the media would react differently if it had been a Republican. Did I miss something negative toward Democrats? Chill out!
[EDIT] Okay I think we're all cleared up now.
[EDIT] Okay I think we're all cleared up now.
Webb's a good guy. He worked for Raygun in the 80's his views on the Iraq war is what really makes him a Democrat, he is basicly a moderate Republican. He campaigned at gun shows in Virginia, and promised to vote against gun control. I believe he was "A" rated by the NRA. He lives a few blocks away from my mother in-law's house.
ArfinGreebly
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Some animals . . .
. . . are more equal than others.
I think it would be well to keep the spotlight on this.
Looks like once a Marine takes off his uniform he can't be trusted with a weapon any more.
There must be a clause in the papers you sign when mustering out that rescinds the oath you took to defend the constitution from all enemies . . .
Or maybe there's a special kind of rabies that you only contract when you leave active duty.
Anyway, he's clearly a bad and scary person.
Touching guns will do that to you.
. . . are more equal than others.
I think it would be well to keep the spotlight on this.
Looks like once a Marine takes off his uniform he can't be trusted with a weapon any more.
There must be a clause in the papers you sign when mustering out that rescinds the oath you took to defend the constitution from all enemies . . .
Or maybe there's a special kind of rabies that you only contract when you leave active duty.
Anyway, he's clearly a bad and scary person.
Touching guns will do that to you.
Sindawe
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I do hope your trying to be sarcastic jeep-2. When your boss asks you to grab his bags while he parks the car, do YOU go through them to ensure there is nothing in 'em that you don't want to be associated with?
Who packed the overnight bag. THAT person is responsible for this hassle.
Who packed the overnight bag. THAT person is responsible for this hassle.
Ratzinger_p38
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Webb is basically what need to see in Democrats - pro gun.
It is also hard not to respect him for his Vietnam service, he wasnt just any jarhead - as a Platoon commander, he holds a Navy Cross, Silver Star and 2 Bronze Stars. All Navy Cross winners get my respect.
It is also hard not to respect him for his Vietnam service, he wasnt just any jarhead - as a Platoon commander, he holds a Navy Cross, Silver Star and 2 Bronze Stars. All Navy Cross winners get my respect.
Igloodude
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And Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, I'm now remembering...
rev214
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just wondering...
for double-standard purposes...did senator k.b. hutchison ever get her permit to carry in DC?
for double-standard purposes...did senator k.b. hutchison ever get her permit to carry in DC?
SaMx
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So the facts so far seem to be
*Webb is allowed to have a gun in the capitol. Congressmen and Senators can have and carry guns in D.C., ordinary people cannot.
*The gun was in a carry-on or overnight bag. He probably packed it to bring with him when he was traveling. His aid was just carrying some of his stuff.
*the bag went through a metal detector or x-ray machine and the gun was discovered.
*because it was in possession of the aid, the aid is in trouble, because he is not supposed to have a gun in the capital.
*apparently Senator Webb likes glocks
This highlights how the elite, the leaders, can carry for protection, while the common people cannot. That Webb is a Democrat has nothing to do with it, he has a carry permit and was graded A by the NRA. I would expect him to be a solid pro-gun rights voter.
*Webb is allowed to have a gun in the capitol. Congressmen and Senators can have and carry guns in D.C., ordinary people cannot.
*The gun was in a carry-on or overnight bag. He probably packed it to bring with him when he was traveling. His aid was just carrying some of his stuff.
*the bag went through a metal detector or x-ray machine and the gun was discovered.
*because it was in possession of the aid, the aid is in trouble, because he is not supposed to have a gun in the capital.
*apparently Senator Webb likes glocks
This highlights how the elite, the leaders, can carry for protection, while the common people cannot. That Webb is a Democrat has nothing to do with it, he has a carry permit and was graded A by the NRA. I would expect him to be a solid pro-gun rights voter.
Sistema1927
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Truthfully, I don't care one bit what party, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, or whatever the Senator belongs to. What infuriates me is the fact that it appears that there is one set of rules for "them" (Senators and Members of Congress) and another set of rules for "us" (any other poor slob).
What makes "them" better than "us"?
What makes "them" better than "us"?
CZ 75 BD
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Brother Webb was a Republican, switched sides to run against Allen. His latest book is "Born Fighting" about the Scots-Irish in America.
Travis McGee
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"I value the opportunity to be able to protect myself, depending on situations. But no, I don't walk around with a weapon on me all of the time," he told the newspaper.
"And sometimes, I let my gofers carry the weapon, and sometimes we sort of forget who has it. But since I'm an exhalted high holy Senator (drum roll) nothing will happen."
"And sometimes, I let my gofers carry the weapon, and sometimes we sort of forget who has it. But since I'm an exhalted high holy Senator (drum roll) nothing will happen."
I worked for an Indiana congressman in the last Congress, it wasn't Hostettler (who did sleep in his office) but I've worked for him before too. Here's how it works:
-Staff can have guns in the Capitol if the MoC or his Chief of Staff OK it and inform the Capitol Police and arrange to bring it in.
-Congressman do not have to go through security, the Capitol Police work for them, great deference is paid to Members as they have a vital Constitutional task to perform.
-The Capitol is not policed by DC, it is the U.S. Capitol Police which man the doors and patrol the grounds and complex.
-Outside on the street, the Members have absolutely no immunity off the Capitol campus, if they're caught carrying, they can and probably will be arrested as an example.
-Staff can have guns in the Capitol if the MoC or his Chief of Staff OK it and inform the Capitol Police and arrange to bring it in.
-Congressman do not have to go through security, the Capitol Police work for them, great deference is paid to Members as they have a vital Constitutional task to perform.
-The Capitol is not policed by DC, it is the U.S. Capitol Police which man the doors and patrol the grounds and complex.
-Outside on the street, the Members have absolutely no immunity off the Capitol campus, if they're caught carrying, they can and probably will be arrested as an example.
dralarms
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Sorry, wrong answer. the oath I took was for life. I have been out of the AF since 1983 but if necessary I will defend my country against these terrorist that are planning to destroy our way of life.
When you enlist you are given the oath (please note there is no time fram attached to the oath), when you re-enlist you are given the same oath. Again no time frame attached. So all of those of us who have served we are still "responsible" to that oath. IMHO.
lacoochee
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+1 Agreed.
All Americans should take that oath, it kind of takes your breath away when you are 18 and standing on that line. It's the first time I ever really took my self seriously...some of my friends who have not taken that oath still don't take themselves seriously.
All Americans should take that oath, it kind of takes your breath away when you are 18 and standing on that line. It's the first time I ever really took my self seriously...some of my friends who have not taken that oath still don't take themselves seriously.
It seems to me that this would go over better if Webb had made some effort to introduce legislation regarding the RKBA. I may be a bit naive in my expectations of a Jr. Senator, but I would have thought that, as with his disagreements with the President’s policies, he would have been substantially more vocal concerning gun control laws; especially considering his self proclaimed 2A beliefs. As it is it just looks like he believes he should be able to carry a firearm because he’s special. He is actually in a position where he could introduce some good legislation, but doesn’t. I’m sure there is an explanation, but anything I can come up with sounds pretty hollow.
Personally I hope this spurs him on to be a bit more active in the RKBA arena and that his staffer doesn’t suffer too much heat for what shouldn’t be a crime.
Additionally, according to the radio, the bag contained 2 spare mags, fully loaded, also with unregistered ammo. That phrase (unregistered ammunition) is in all the reports, does anyone know what it means yet? Or was it just tacked on there by a reporter that didn’t know any better?
Personally I hope this spurs him on to be a bit more active in the RKBA arena and that his staffer doesn’t suffer too much heat for what shouldn’t be a crime.
Additionally, according to the radio, the bag contained 2 spare mags, fully loaded, also with unregistered ammo. That phrase (unregistered ammunition) is in all the reports, does anyone know what it means yet? Or was it just tacked on there by a reporter that didn’t know any better?
Pilgrim
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Sent to my senators and congressman:
I have been following the news concerning the arrest of Senator James
Webb's aide, Phillip Thompson. Apparently he was carrying Senator Webb's
pistol through the security checkpoint at the Russell Senate Office
Building.
From what I can tell from the article, there would have been no arrest if
Senator Webb had been carrying the pistol.
As I understand it, it is against D.C. law to possess an unregistered
pistol and ammunition in the District of Columbia.
Does this news report indicate that members of Congress are routinely
flouting the law? Does this mean that members of Congress are above the
law?
I am greatly distressed that there seem to be two standards of the law
applied depending on one's 'status' in the District of Columbia.
I hope you will take all steps to ensure that members of Congress obey the
same laws that residents of the District of Columbia are expected to obey.
Sincerely,
Bruce Stanton
I have been following the news concerning the arrest of Senator James
Webb's aide, Phillip Thompson. Apparently he was carrying Senator Webb's
pistol through the security checkpoint at the Russell Senate Office
Building.
From what I can tell from the article, there would have been no arrest if
Senator Webb had been carrying the pistol.
As I understand it, it is against D.C. law to possess an unregistered
pistol and ammunition in the District of Columbia.
Does this news report indicate that members of Congress are routinely
flouting the law? Does this mean that members of Congress are above the
law?
I am greatly distressed that there seem to be two standards of the law
applied depending on one's 'status' in the District of Columbia.
I hope you will take all steps to ensure that members of Congress obey the
same laws that residents of the District of Columbia are expected to obey.
Sincerely,
Bruce Stanton
The Constitution
protects members of Congress from any interference by law enforcement when they are performing their duties, and when traveling to or from the places where that happens.
If you've got a problem with that, take it up with the guys that wrote the darned thing.
Senator Webb is allowed to be armed while in the Capitol. He is (apparently) also allowed to give his staffers his firearms for transport into and out of the building. He's supposed to notify the Capitol police when that happens.
The Capitol police found a gun in someone's bag. That someone said "I work for Senator James Webb." Rather than take him at his word, since there's a lot of staff people on the Hill, the CPD arrested him. Which is probably the smart thing for them to do, as they are dealing with a lot of "high-value targets."
Bottom line, the staffer won't be charged, and Senator Webb probably didn't do anything wrong. Except, for some around here, to have the temerity to run and win as a Democrat. Folks, Jim Webb is one of the good guys. A decorated Marine, former SecNav under Reagan, he's had a VA CCL for while (doesn't carry all the time, but then, a lot of permitees don't). He ran as a Dem mostly because he thinks the war in Iraq was and is a colossal blunder. He may be right or wrong on that, but given his record, he's certainly qualified to hold that opinion.
--Shannon
protects members of Congress from any interference by law enforcement when they are performing their duties, and when traveling to or from the places where that happens.
If you've got a problem with that, take it up with the guys that wrote the darned thing.
Senator Webb is allowed to be armed while in the Capitol. He is (apparently) also allowed to give his staffers his firearms for transport into and out of the building. He's supposed to notify the Capitol police when that happens.
The Capitol police found a gun in someone's bag. That someone said "I work for Senator James Webb." Rather than take him at his word, since there's a lot of staff people on the Hill, the CPD arrested him. Which is probably the smart thing for them to do, as they are dealing with a lot of "high-value targets."
Bottom line, the staffer won't be charged, and Senator Webb probably didn't do anything wrong. Except, for some around here, to have the temerity to run and win as a Democrat. Folks, Jim Webb is one of the good guys. A decorated Marine, former SecNav under Reagan, he's had a VA CCL for while (doesn't carry all the time, but then, a lot of permitees don't). He ran as a Dem mostly because he thinks the war in Iraq was and is a colossal blunder. He may be right or wrong on that, but given his record, he's certainly qualified to hold that opinion.
--Shannon
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