Senate Staffer Busted For Carrying Webb’s Loaded Gun

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Rugerlvr, this has nothing to do with whether or not he is a Democrat or Republican, when it comes to politicians we are equal opportunity bashers on this board. I would say though that there is a strong libertarian and conservative streak amongst most of the folks posting on this board and in as much as that dictates party membership then I guess the folks can be partisan.
By the way Republicans do not have a lock on being conservatives and not all Democrats are liberals.

Now can we get back to the all-American sport of mocking our betters (tongue in cheek of course)?
 
Did you see this? Off the latest Drudge link:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/webb-says-he-did-not-give-aide-his-gun-2007-03-27.html

Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) said Tuesday that he did not give staffer Phillip Thompson the pistol whose possession got the aide arrested Monday when he tried to enter the Russell Senate office building.
“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.

“I think this is one of those very unfortunate situations where, completely inadvertently, he took the weapon into the Senate yesterday,” Webb added. The senator noted that he was in New Orleans from Friday until Monday. He speculated that the incident happened because three of his cars were moved because of the trip.

Webb also pointed out that he could not go into too many specifics because Thompson is being arraigned Tuesday.

However, the senator made some broad points related to the incident, including his support for gun rights.

“Everyone here knows that I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, that I have had a permit to carry a weapon in Virginia for a long time, and I believe that it’s important — it’s important for me, personally, and for a lot of people in the situation that I’m in, to be able to defend myself and my family."

The situation YOU are in? What makes you so special?
 
God knows I'm not defending Cynthia McKinney, the woman was a walking joke. But the Capitol Police did refer her for prosecution, and a grand jury declined to indict. What more should have been done? BTW, as I recall, this happened on a day when we were not in session in the House, so she was not afforded protection from arrest. This occurred at the south entrance to the Longworth HOB, which is the same entrance I used. The USCP was outside the next day asking everyone who entered if they had witnessed the incident. There was no double standard.
 
Folks, I'm no right-winger, but I'm no Democrat either. I have to think we're maybe not giving this guy the credit he's due, and we're not looking past his party affiliation. Take a look at this guy's statements today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17819572/

"WASHINGTON - Sen. Jim Webb turned an awkward episode — the arrest of one of his aides for carrying a gun into one of the Senate office buildings — into a political opportunity Tuesday, giving a spirited defense of his and other Americans’ right to carry firearms to defend themselves.

While Webb, D-Va., did not specifically say he’d support a change in the law in the District of Columbia that bans most residents and visitors from carrying or even possessing guns, he did defend the right of people to use guns in self-defense.

“I’m a strong supporter of the Second Amendment; I have had a permit to carry a weapon in Virginia for a long time; I believe that it’s important; it’s important to me personally and to a lot of people in the situation that I’m in to be able to defend myself and my family,” he said.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he said, “it’s a more dangerous time” for those serving in government. “I’m not going to comment with great specificity about how I defend myself, but I do feel I have that right,” he added.

Webb, a Marine veteran of the Vietnam War and former secretary of the Navy, said members of Congress did not have the high level of protection that the president and executive branch officials have. As a result, he said, “We are required to defend ourselves.”

Not specific on how he defends himself
When a reporter asked Webb if he considered himself “above Washington D.C.’s gun law,” the Virginian replied that he would not comment on “how I provide for my own security.”

When asked if he thought the D.C. law should be changed to allow law-abiding people in Washington to carry weapons, Webb stressed his support for the Second Amendment and added, “I believe the Virginia law is a fair law. I believe that wherever you see laws that allow people to carry (weapons), generally the violence goes down.”

Webb, who won by only four-tenths of one percent last November over Sen. George Allen, has made a point of differing with liberal Democrats on the gun issue.

Webb argued in his 2004 book “Born Fighting” that 2000 Democratic presidential nominee Al Gore’s “position on gun control cost him the election, not in Florida but in the Scots-Irish redoubts of Tennessee and West Virginia, both of which through history and logic should have been slam-dunk electoral votes in his favor.”

Virginia law allows citizens to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon, as long as they are not felons nor have been convicted of a violent misdemeanor.

Carrying loaded pistol
Webb aide Phillip Thompson was arraigned Tuesday for violating D.C. law. “He completely inadvertently took the weapon into the Senate yesterday,” Webb said.

Capitol police said that Thompson had a loaded pistol with two additional fully loaded magazines when he entered the Russell Senate Office building Monday.

He was charged with carrying a pistol without a license and having an unregistered firearm and unregistered ammunition.

The arrest came only a few days after the gun issue forced Democratic leaders were to avert a House vote on giving the District of Columbia a voting representative in the House. Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, used a parliamentary tactic to try to force a vote on his proposal to overturn the D.C. gun ban.

Rather than allow that vote, Democratic leaders temporarily shunted aside the entire D.C. representation bill. They have pledged to bring the legislation back after the Easter recess, and the Republican sponsor of the bill, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, said Tuesday that Democratic leaders could find a parliamentary method of ruling Smith’s gun measure non-germane.

Republican amused at Webb comments
Smiling with amusement at Webb’s defense of gun owners’ rights, Smith jokingly wondered if Webb would send a letter to House Democrats urging them to support his effort to scrap the district’s gun ban.

“We’ve heard for so long how strong the Democrats felt about voting rights for D.C. residents, and yet they were willing to kill the bill rather than allow D.C. residents to have firearms to protect themselves against criminals,” Smith said.

He supports retro-ceding most D.C. territory back to Maryland and thus giving all people now residing in the district representation by Maryland’s members of the House.

Last week when Smith unveiled his gun provisions, D.C. delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton denounced the move as “disgusting” and said, “All that they got was a nuisance delay, but we will get our bill any day now.”

Some House Democrats would vote for Smith’s gun proposal if it were on the floor. One of them, Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn. said Tuesday, “I just don’t believe gun control laws work. What we see is that communities where they have strict gun control laws actually have more problems with crime than communities that don’t.”

He said crime in Washington, D.C., itself was evidence of that: “That proves the point."

He added that "people that know how to handle guns, there should be no prohibition against them having a gun.”

Democrat keeps guns in his office
Peterson said his constituents in his mostly rural Minnesota district are aware of the D.C. gun ban. “They ask me questions about what I do with my guns. The answer is they’re in my (Capitol) office because it’s legal,” Peterson said.

Asked how he gets his guns from his residence to his office, Peterson said, “It’s not very far to the Virginia line.”

Federal law allows members of Congress “or their agents” to transport unloaded and securely wrapped firearms to and from the Capitol grounds.

On March 9, a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in the District of Columbia overturned part of the district’s gun ban. District of Columbia Mayor Adrian Fenty has pledged to fight that ruling, possibly by appealing to the Supreme Court.

While the city moves to petition the full Court of Appeals for rehearing, the gun law remains in effect.

© 2007 MSNBC Interactive"



Should Webb try to get leniency for his staffer in this situation? Absolutely -- and any one of us in the same situation should have someone willing to vouch for us, too. Inadvertently taking a concealed weapon someplace where it shouldn't be can happen to all of us, and the presumption of good intentions should rule. It absolutely won't unless we are advocates for it. This is a good place to start.

Take a deep breath, forget this guy's party affiliation, and read the above for what it says. This guy is one of us -- he's defending our rights, and including himself in that class. When's the last time anybody saw that in a politician of either stripe lately? He's a military veteran as well, and has a pretty clear view of the war and the motives behind it. I'm a new supporter of Webb's, and I think we each need to take a sober look at what he's doing for us. Just my two cents' worth.
 
Re-read my post above, and note my bold emphasis.

"...I believe that it’s important — it’s important for me, personally, and for a lot of people in the situation that I’m in, to be able to defend myself and my family.""

It is important for ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. Not just the elite.
 
Yeah. I read it the first time, and you don't need to shout. Read his words -- he supports the Virginia law for *everybody*, not just himself! Is his risk of being targeted randomly greater than yours or mine? Absolutely not. Is his risk of being targeted specifically because of his position greater than yours or mine? Absolutely. He's nationally known, his opinions are printed regularly, but unlike us, it's very easy to find him and resent him because of his perceived greater influence on public policy. From the perspective of one's inalienable right to self-defense, do I see a difference? No! And according to his quotes, neither does he. THAT is the significant point here.

If anyone feels they have to trash a guy simply for his Democratic Party affiliation, please give me your opinion of NYC Mayor Bloomberg. And that one wants to be president! What do you think might happen then? Would you support Bloomberg for president just because he's a Republican, and disregard his obsessive and irrational fear and hatred of guns? I certainly hope not.

The smart people in this country are way beyond voting for candidates just because of their party affiliation. The old stereotypes for each party are falling by the wayside, and the new issues of the times are turning the old guard from each party on their heads. Personally, from a 2A standpoint, I don't care what Webb's political affiliation is, his positions on the issues of the day make sense and are more centered and reasoned than the shrill ideology from the respective fringes -- and we are closer than we've ever been to pushing the concealed carry laws to the national level if we apply some intelligence and common sense to our efforts. This guy is gloriously unencumbered by the debts of those politicians in the pockets of the Progressives, or Hollywood Elite, or Religious Right, or any of the other Wingnut Fringe elements, and that is refreshing. Why do you think the Republican Party is trying to get Fred Thompson to run for president? Nobody in the current GOP running, with their 47 wives between them, is generating any traction, nor are any of the Democratic shills that are furiously fighting out the early race. Both ends of the spectrum are in for a rude awakening in November '08.

Out of curiosity, Sven, why didn't you quote the first half of the sentence instead of the latter half? Is it any less significant? If you take the two halves together, they make sense. Split in two, they don't. It's as simple as that.
 
Interesting inferences in your post, 9mmHP. How are you affiliated with the government? Sounds like an interesting story.
 
Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) said Tuesday that he did not give staffer Phillip Thompson the pistol whose possession got the aide arrested Monday when he tried to enter the Russell Senate office building.
“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.
"WASHINGTON - Sen. Jim Webb turned an awkward episode — the arrest of one of his aides for carrying a gun into one of the Senate office buildings — into a political opportunity Tuesday, giving a spirited defense of his and other Americans’ right to carry firearms to defend themselves.
Looks like he hung his boy out to dry.

Pilgrim
 
Specialized,

Excellent points. I don't know if you meant Giuliani rather than Bloomberg but it applies equally to both politicians.

Webb is one of the really good guys. I've read columnists refers to his "fanatical" pro 2nd A position. He was a long time Republican (Secretary of the Navy under Reagan--he resigned because Reagan wouldn't build a big enough--600 ship--Navy) who became a Dem for two primary reasons:

1) His consistent opposition from the start to the Iraqi war especially the notion that we are the policeman of the world and can convert other nation's to democracy. By the way for you politically informed, this is the same position held by Ron Paul.

2) The fact that he is something of a Populist in the economic arena. No he is not for welfare etc. but he believes the system is tilted to the rich and the big corporations and against the working middle class.

Some have compared him to a Dem version of Pat Buchanan, another "America First" conservative who's an economic populist and virulently anti-Iraq war. Anybody who thinks that either of these gentlemen is a "liberal" is woefully uninformed on American politics.
 
Here's an article by a conservative writer (writes often for the conservative magazine Weekly Standard) on Webb right after the election. Notice the "absolutist on 2nd Amendment rights".



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...ayD NkGVyOrPo

Virginia's Jim Webb Joins Strange Bedfellows: Andrew Ferguson

By Andrew Ferguson

Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Let those other pundits and reporters obsess over the new Democratic leadership as it brings its own special brand of ``progressive reform'' to Capitol Hill. (An all- vegan menu in the cafeteria? Hookahs in the cloakroom? Mandatory Birkenstocks in place of wingtips?)

I will be directing my attention to the back benches. I'll be watching Jim Webb.

With his stunning upset of George Allen, the heavily favored Republican incumbent, the newly elected Democratic senator from Virginia arrives as the most exotic bird in the Washington aviary.

Unlike most modern politicians, Webb hasn't spent his entire adult life running, or plotting to run, for political office. He is a man of unimpeachable physical courage and battlefield heroism, having been awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star and two Purple Hearts for his service as a Marine in Vietnam.

As the author of six novels, most of them bestsellers and all of them bristling with interesting ideas, he enters the Senate with a record of creative and intellectual accomplishment not seen there since the death of Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

And best of all, his election last Tuesday makes him the most deeply conservative national Democrat since Grover Cleveland.

Mr. Webb, meet Ms. Pelosi.

Novice and Natural

Webb may be a novice politician but he's also a natural. He was careful to keep his most conservative leanings well camouflaged during the campaign.

He is, for instance, an absolutist on Second Amendment rights -- the right to keep and bear arms -- but he made sure the subject seldom arose as he campaigned in the liberal suburbs of northern Virginia.

He has written extensively about affirmative action, calling it ``a permeating state-sponsored racism that is as odious as the Jim Crow laws it sought to countermand.'' He has praised the Confederate battle flag and the sacrifice of the Confederate soldier with an eloquence that Jefferson Davis might envy.

Virginia Democrats pretended not to notice, and Webb was happy to let them.

His revulsion for Bill Clinton and his administration is deep, longstanding and very public. ``Every time I see him salute a Marine,'' he once told an interviewer, ``it infuriates me.''

`Ethical Fraudulence'

When Clinton was condemned for his promiscuous use of pardons in January 2001, Webb wrote in the Wall Street Journal: ``It is a pleasurable experience to watch Bill Clinton finally being judged, even by his own party, for the ethical fraudulence that has characterized his entire political career.''

Yet five years later, when Clinton came to Virginia to raise money for the Webb campaign, Webb turned to the cameras and hugged him like a stuffed bear. He did the same with John Kerry, the former spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, whose hand, Webb once told Washingtonian magazine, he refused to shake for 20 years.

The man knows how to trim.

And the Allen campaign -- foreshadowing a puzzlement that will be common among Republicans -- didn't know what to do about him.

One day, late in the campaign, I found myself in the slightly surreal position of being a conservative columnist listening to a conservative spokesman for the conservative incumbent Senator Allen explaining that their Democratic opponent deserved to lose because he was -- too conservative.

`Problem With Women'

``He's got a real problem with women, especially in the military,'' said the spokesman, who asked not to be identified. He complained about the vehemence of Webb's opposition to affirmative action. He read me passages from a Webb encomium to the Confederacy.

``Maybe those views were acceptable in 1906,'' he said, ``but this is 2006.''

National Democrats may not know what to do with him either. Webb's arrival in Washington is being hailed as part of a new wave of moderation and pragmatism sweeping the liberal party.

Yet Webb is neither a moderate nor a pragmatist: He's a radical and a populist. His populism explains, among other things, his disdain for the Clintons. Both Bill and Hillary, he wrote in 2001, embody a ``a pervasive elitism, from people who were taught when young that the laws that applied to their countrymen did not necessarily apply to them.''

The irony here should give Democrats pause. The last time they were supposedly swept with moderation, it was the Clintonian pragmatism of the 1990s: pro-free trade, fiscally restrained, pro-globalization and accommodating of corporate America. Clinton himself once ruefully admitted that his administration's cautious economic policies made him an ``Eisenhower Republican.''

Buchanan Democrats

Webb, on the other hand, is better described as a Buchanan Democrat -- as in Pat Buchanan. Webb's brand of populism is hostile to free trade, antagonistic to corporate America, suspicious of the market and horrified by the effects of globalization, which has showered rewards on the elites while leaving behind the people who, as a populist, he means to represent.

How Webb fits into the byplay of Washington politicking and positioning is one of the most interesting questions to emerge from last Tuesday's Democratic landslide. He won't be able to trim for long.

So watch Webb. We will know soon enough whether this rare bird will be admired for his uncommon gifts and exotic plumage, or whether he will quickly go the way of the dodo.

(Andrew Ferguson is a Bloomberg News columnist. In 1992, he wrote speeches for President George H.W. Bush. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Andrew Ferguson in Washington at [email protected] .
 
Specialized: I wasn't shouting. THIS IS SHOUTING. Sorry, but it still came off as elitist to me when I read it. You have valid points. I'm glad he is such a smart guy and is pro-2nd Amendment, and it sounds like he is a gentleman, scholar and a fine judge of horse flesh.

That article is a little interesting in that it points out that the guy trashes Clinton in writing, but bear hugs him when convenient for his campaign. I guess that is the only way to become elected, play to both sides. Maybe that is the only way to join the club, use camo at different times. Maybe that is blowing one event out of proportion.... glad he is on "our" side, though.
 
Federal law allows members of Congress “or their agents” to transport unloaded and securely wrapped firearms to and from the Capitol grounds.
I have questions.

1. Is this true? Federal LAW? What one?
2. Does said law trump DC law which forbids carry/possession of guns and ammo? (currently disputed, but being enforced).
3. Do Members of congress really get a pass on the federal regulations prohibiting us normal citizens from possession on federal property?

Any folks knowledgable on fedlaw?:confused:

TC
 
While I do think his remarks about this incident come across as unnecessarily elitist ('I'm prepared to defend myself because I'm a senator'), overall this guy is a THR fantasy in terms of his positions and personal history. Let's reserve the Zumbo-ing for those that more obviously 'don't get it' and avoid chewing on the good guys unnecessarily.
 
Roger, that, Igloodude. I didn't vote for the guy for other reasons, but I don't see any reason to grind him down here, at least not yet. He could have taken a powder, refused comment and let this die down. In six months, no one will be paying attention when Thompson's lawyers plead him down to some lesser charge.

Instead, he stepped up and offered a rather unequivocal defense of the Second. Yes, he did refer to his status as a Senator, which only makes sense, but if you read his comments, he is not saying this right should be limited only to the likes of him.

Now, he is being very coy on how the aide came to have the gun in the first place. "I didn't give a loaded pistol to him," sounds kind of like "I was never alone in the Oval Office with that woman." ;)
 
Well, he may be "one of the good guys", but he strikes me as borderline unstable and perpetually angry. If he's the best we got on 2nd Amendment, I worry for our cause.

I can't square his statement that he didn't give the pistol to his aide with (what seems to be) the fact that it's Webb's gun. Lots of careful parsing of words in his explanation/denial a la Slick Willy.
 
This is a little off-topic, but this thread is really starting to annoy me.
Specialized: I wasn't shouting. THIS IS SHOUTING.
Sven, are you having trouble reading? Your previous post contained caps-lock text, "It is important for ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. Not just the elite." Did you forget about that shouting? We also saw Webb's statement in bold, three times now. It was posted before you by cngerms! In bold, no less. I'm getting confused.

Back on topic:
Webb's brand of populism is hostile to free trade, antagonistic to corporate America, suspicious of the market and horrified by the effects of globalization, which has showered rewards on the elites while leaving behind the people who, as a populist, he means to represent.
I, for one, don't consider corporations "the elite." They just sell products in a free market. I am much more upset about politicians getting special treatment under the law, which is exactly what's happening here, Mr. Webb. (Okay, corporations get special treatment sometimes, too.) It's frustrating that these guys can't see the total inconsistency of their ideas. He claims to be a populist because he's fighting the big bad corporations, when he should really be fighting special treatment for Congressmen.

Oh well, at least he's pretty pro-gun, even if he hasn't thought it all the way through.
 
flashman70 wrote
"Well, he may be "one of the good guys", but he strikes me as borderline unstable and perpetually angry. If he's the best we got on 2nd Amendment, I worry for our cause."

That's funny, his last book, a history of the Scots-Irish influence on American society is titled "Born Fighting". He makes the point that his people were always a feisty lot whether in the Scottish Highlands or in the hills of Kentucky, TN, NC, AL, GA or VA. That's why the Scots-Irish made such great soldiers, tough, hard drinking, hard feuding, hard fighting folks. Think Clans, Braveheart as well as the Hatfields and the MCcoys feuds.

Interestingly Pat Buchanan who is primarily Scots-Irish (not Irish as many think) makes the same points in his books. Growing up he was involved in one fistfight after another, as were his brothers and friends.

Webb also makes the point that Guns are an integral part of the life of Americans of Scots Irish descent and these folks are an integral base of support for the second A. His south is the south of these tough, working class folks not the south of high class plantation owners.

He's angry? Damm right just like Buchanan is angry, just like George Wallace was angry, just like Huey Long was angry, just like every other populist in the history of the Republic has been angry. Just like Gun owners have a right to be, and should be angry, with the state of affairs today.
 
I can't square his statement that he didn't give the pistol to his aide with (what seems to be) the fact that it's Webb's gun

Why not? From the answer he's giving it sounds like he's none too happy with his aide.

Maybe his aide took it upon himself to bring the gun in for whatever reason.
If so, then the aide NEEDS to be thrown under the bus here.

Of all the things to pounce on in this story, I'm not sure that is one of them.
 
flashman70 said:
Well, he may be "one of the good guys", but he strikes me as borderline unstable and perpetually angry.

Webb has been pissed ever since Ollie North kicked his ass in a boxing match at the Academy.
 
Webb is one of the really good guys. I've read columnists refers to his "fanatical" pro 2nd A position. He was a long time Republican (Secretary of the Navy under Reagan--he resigned because Reagan wouldn't build a big enough--600 ship--Navy) who became a Dem for two primary reasons:

He might be one of the "good guys" on 2A issues but I haven't seen any evidence of it yet. He's done what to support RKBA? Has a CCW? So does Dianne Feinstein. Shoots? So does John Kerry. Says he "supports" 2nd Amendment rights? So do gun banners Michael Bloomberg and Rudy Giuliani -- they just define "support" and "rights" a little differently than most of us here. Supporting RKBA takes more than simply asserting it and Webb hasn't done anything as a public official to demonstrate that he really believes it. Maybe he will, given time, but yesterday's performance doesn't fill me with confidence. As several posters have pointed out, while he said he thinks Virginia's CCW law is "fair" (wow -- there's a ringing endorsement!) his followup comment sure suggested that government officials such as him deserve special privileges. If I want more elitism, I can get it from Feinstein and Schumer. And he declined to answer a reporter's question about whether DC residents should be allowed to defend themselves. My idea of a "THR fantasy" wouldn't punt on such an opportunity.

And as far as his service as SECNAV, that lasted all of 10 months before he resigned supposedly in principle over the administration's failure to support a bigger Navy. That's less than half a budget cycle, and anyone who's worked in the Pentagon knows that you don't just waltz in the door and say "make it so" and expect to effect significant force posture changes with massive funding implications, particularly as a service secretary. And by the time Webb became SECNAV, the idea of a 600 ship Navy was dead anyway. Webb likes to portray his departure as falling on his sword over principle; I see a petulant and impatient man dispositionally ill-suited for a job he never should have taken to begin with.

As I said, once he's a had a chance to vote or, better yet for a "THR fantasy," introduce some legislation, maybe Webb will back up his rhetoric with action. No evidence of it yet.
 
"Webb likes to portray his departure as falling on his sword over principle; I see a petulant and impatient man dispositionally ill-suited for a job he never should have taken to begin with."

Amen to that.

And that's coming from another one of those hill folk who inherited more than a touch of his mother's redheaded temper.

John
 
Leadership

This country is dying for leadership. Leadership that will go by the same rules they make for the rest of us.

I'd like to see every law enforced in this case JUST as if these guys were common citizens. If Webb doesn't like the law, let him change it and name the change after his aide.
 
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