sending gun to FFL question

[yongxingfreesty]

Just a quick question, I have a seller in Austin selling a handgun I am interested in. Does he have to send it to FFL if we both are in TEXAS?

I have a brother at IBM, but he wont pick it up for me. What a brother huh?

I am of age and can show CHL/TDL for proof. Does this mean he can send it to my doorstep as if it were a Face-To-Face Transaction?

Thanks

 

[Gator]

Its legal federally for residents of the same state to ship guns directly to one another, but some state do not allow it.....I doubt that Texas is one of them. I'm sure a Texan will chime in with the state law.

The seller has to send it UPS next day air though.

 

[texasrecurve]

Long gun yes, handgun no. I just went through this last week and NO shipper will accept a handgun from an individual going to another individual. I called DHL, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex. Sucks, I know.

TR

 

[mekender]

probably be easiest to eat a tank of gas and make the round trip drive...

 

[nalioth]

texasrecurve, you are mistaken.

If you take a copy of the laws and UPS' regulations with you to the UPS regional shipping facility nearest you, you can ship a pistol intrastate to another private individual.

You might have to call for management and show them the laws and their own policies, but it's doable.

UPS is the only one, though.

If you call anyone on the phone, you are gonna get the standard answer (and they're unlikely to look up anything for you).

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=323555

 

[clemsonu0219]

to legally ex

 

[clemsonu0219]

sorry about last post... to legally exchange a handgun you must be a licensed ffl.. if you are not you must go to a licensed ffl

 

[nalioth]

clemsunu0219, if you are a Texan selling a handgun to a fellow resident of Texas that you know not to be restricted from ownership, you can do it any way you like.

1) face to face
2) common carrier
3) via an FFL

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=323555

Y'all read the linked laws and quit making stuff up.

 

[texasrecurve]

That's good to know, I am glad UPS will accept them. The knucklehead person I talked to on the phone said they would not.

TR

 

[NavyLCDR]

sorry about last post... to legally exchange a handgun you must be a licensed ffl.. if you are not you must go to a licensed ffl

Absolutely, positively, 100% FALSE for transfers between Texas state residents (and within most other states as well, between residents of the same state).

UPS written regulations state that they will accept handguns for shipments to anyone legally permitted to receive it, HOWEVER, UPS unwritten company policy is to ship only to FFL's/Manufacturers. I have inquired several times to UPS regarding why their verbal supposedly enforced policy differs from their written policies, but to no avail. If you can get a UPS person to take the shipment based on the written UPS policy and the Federal Law, which both allow the shipment, then more power to you.

Like was said before, though, it's just easier to get it in person. If the you/the seller want to go through a receiving FFL, then FEDEX or UPS will ship it, however, by company policy only next day air.

Or take it to an FFL on the sending end and let them send it via Post Office to a receiving FFL.

If you want a copy of the written UPS policy, I can send you the link.

 

[ar154life]

You're 100% allowed to ship to someone in your state (Texas) as long as you know that person has no issues in owning the firearm. This is for long guns and handguns. I usually ship UPS. Read it for yourself.

http://chris.cc/interstate.htm

Out of state needs to go to FFL, if not....then that can get you in trouble!

 

[NavyLCDR]

Here's the UPS written policy:
http://www.ups.com/media/en/terms_service_12312007.pdf

And the part that counts, notice the bold:

J. Firearms and Ammunition
UPS accepts packages containing firearms, as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code, from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers and licensed collectors, as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code, law enforcement agencies, from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law, and when such shipment complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient and package. The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required service for each package containing a firearm, including handguns. UPS, in its sole discretion, may require the shipper to select a UPS Next Day Air Service for any package containing a firearm. Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services. Firearms, including handguns, will not be accepted for transportation via UPS Drop Boxes, Internet Shipping, in response to a request for On-Call Pickup Service, or when presented for shipment at locations of The UPS Store or any Third Party Retailer. Small arms ammunition, as defined in 49 C.F.R. § 173.59, will be transported only when packaged and labeled in compliance with 49 C.F.R. § 172. Firearm parts, which do not constitute firearms as defined under federal law, including without limitation Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code, and which otherwise comply with federal, state, and local law, will be accepted for transportation. UPS Returns Services are not available for packages containing firearms. Firearms, including handguns, and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally. For more information, access http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/service/terms/firearms.html, or contact UPS.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

clemsunu0219, if you are a Texan selling a handgun to a fellow resident of Texas that you know not to be restricted from ownership, you can do it any way you like.

Actually, unless Texas state law differs from Federal regulations, you do not have to know that the buyer is not restricted, you just have to NOT know that he is restricted. It's a subtle difference, but the language is clear in the BATFE FAQ regarding private transfers. Realistically, how can a private seller know that someone is not restricted? Even if you have them fill out a 4473 (or something asking all the same questions), how do you know they aren't fibbing? You can't know they aren't restricted.