"Serenity"--a gun slinging libertarian western in space (SPOILERS)

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  1. Razor

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    Actually, he says that he's not a grandpa....
     
  2. Strings

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    >Actually, he says that he's not a grandpa....<

    And that he never married. Hmmm...
     
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    IMHO, in the Pilot, the scene at the end of the battle, which shows Mal looking at the Alliance offensive, with no sound but the sad violin, is easily one of the best scenes I've seen on TV in a long long time. Its right up there with the Phil Collins "Air of the Night" Miami Vice scene...


    btw- I just noticed, right before that, Mal kissed a cross on his necklace, so maybe he lost his religious faith, as well as faith in the independant movement?
     
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    No... he really didn't lose faith in the Independant Movement (although I SERIOUSLY doubt he'll ever trust someone else as a commander). He lost his faith in God, pure and simple. THat's why the semi-antagonistic attitude twords Book...
     
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    that makes sense.
     
  6. Cosmoline

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    Hunter Rose--there's a specific conversation in "Sernity" which implies only Mal and Zoe survived the battle of the people under his command.
     
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    Hmmm... must've missed that. In the deleted scenes in the boxed set, Simon is looking up the Battle of Serenity, and Zoe mentions the finale...
     
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    Actually when Kaylee and a crewman from the ship "Brutus" call him Grandpa Book replies; "I never married." Which doesn't mean he didn't father children.

    I know, just give the golden G for geek. :D
     
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    Not so. Did you see that fleet that the Operative had ready to meet the Serenity? That piddling little fleet didn't even have a single Alliance Cruiser in it (remember the enormous city-ships from the series?). In modern terms, it might be like losing a carrier group, or a large part of a carrier group. Painful, yes, but crippling? Doubtful.

    I do so want there to be another Firefly movie/season. I want to see the Revolution, and to see the Serenity armed and going to war.
     
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    I was going to mention Tudyk's discussion with Wheadon about Wash dying. Someone already posted it.
     
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    Straight from Zoe's mouth in the deleted scene, the Battle of Serenity was a bloodbath, then the Independents were ordered to lay down arms.
    During the bloodbath Mal, a sergeant, started out in command of a platoon. Of that platoon, only he and Zoe survived. However, he kept finding himself in charge of more and more men until near the end of the carnage he was commanding thousands.

    After the surrender, the high commands negotiated the terms and in the meantime left the survivors on the battlefield for "a week" (Zoe definitely says a week, not several weeks.) During that time, many people who had survived the battle died, both wounded and unwounded. Zoe tells Simon they were all more than a little mad by the end.


    I meant to mention that poor Simon sure seemed to get pretty strong in this film. On Serenity, that makes sense because he's just further along in the transformation his character began on the show. At the Alliance research facility, I didn't really understand it. After all, when the crew wanted him to pretend to be a rich guy looking for clay in "Jaynestown," he wasn't very impressive as a master of disguise.

    I think you could chalk that up to the idea that he might have been a lot more comfortable intimidating bureaucrats in a medical facility than he would have been dealing with the thugs on the "mud" planet. On the other hand, you'd have to be a fanboy with an unhealthy obsession to care one way or the other.
     
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    Don admits to being "a fanboy with an unhealthy obsession", film at 11! :neener:
     
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    The first step is admitting you have a problem :neener:

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    Dude. You have a problem.

    (As I hide my Jayne hat underneath my pile of Jayne t-shirts...) ;)
     
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    Dude, tell me that's not a picture of you.
     
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    Oh... wow...

    My brain not only isn't wrapping around that pic, it's refusing to image it clearly! :neener:
     
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    As I recall from the pilot, Simon didn't actually rescue River himself, but paid someone else to do it and deliver the "cargo" to him on the planet where he meets Serenity. That was my first thought when he rescued her in the movie.
     
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    From watching the series and the movie, I've noticed that Simon becomes uncharacteristically tough & determined when it concerns River. Otherwise he gets smacked around physically & emotionally at will.
    What if Zoe & Jayne got together?
     
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    Cosmoline... um.. the problem is you haven't taken out the trash? :confused:

    ;)
     
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    Another problem with the movie version of River's rescue is that the doctor gives him a lot of information on what's been done to River ... information that he didn't have in the TV series until like the 10th episode (Ariel...the one with the hospital)
     
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    That's DON. You think I'd be caught dead with that little toy Colt?

    This is my "Firefly" getup:

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    The scary thing is, that was in 2001 before the series aired :eek:
     
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  22. Don Gwinn

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    Don't drag me into your web of self-deception, Filthy Cosplayer. I don't roll like that.

    And if I did, I would SO be Jayne. I got the beard and everything. Got a couple of shirts that look perfect too. Still need the muscles, though.
     
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    I Laughed, I Cried, I kissed 6 bucks goodbye!!!!

    (I thought it was a good movie).

    Cheers, G
     
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    Jesus, I see "Firefly" and "Serenity" conventions in our future. Please don't turn this into a geek-fest like Star Wars and Star Trek. Have some standards will ya?

    Greg
     
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