Rambo - gun movie - SPOILERS.

[jerkface11]

It's a war movie that ISN'T anti-war and is trying to call attention to a long lasting brutal conflict that the UN and news media have ignored for DECADES. I find it hard to fault Stalone for this one.

 

[JWarren]

Hey, John! Long time, no thread-chat! How's it going?

Hiya Sage! Man, its good to see you.

I get enough violence, gore, and bloodshed every time I talk with my ex, anyway....

You almost owed me a computer monitor for that one. I turned my head just in time and sprayed coffee on the Tactical Terrier (TM) AKA my oldest Jack Russell Terrier, Hattie.


On topic. I dunno what Stallone's position is currently. Maybe its just that I am older now, but 1998 isn't that long ago for me. It isn't for him either. I don't assume someone changes just because they haven't said something recently. His CCW application doesn't indicate Pro-gun-- it indications Pro-Stallone having a gun. Remember, Rosie wants her bodyguards (as seen on TLC's Dirty Jobs ) armed, too.

It's a war movie that ISN'T anti-war and is trying to call attention to a long lasting brutal conflict that the UN and news media have ignored for DECADES. I find it hard to fault Stalone for this one.

War and gun rights are different topics. I'm not altogether happy about war-- unless it is necessary.

Regrettably, there is ALWAYS bloody conflicts in our world. Regrettably, the UN and media don't focus on them. They run on what has "legs" and we have short attention spans.

No, I don't fault anyone from bringing attention to bloody conflicts. But not faulting for one thing does not negate other actions. If I was a part-time serial killer who volunteers for Boys Clubs of America, that STILL makes me a serial killer.

Obviously, that was for illustrative purposes. I am not suggesting Stallone has killed anything other than the English language.


But as I said, my decision is to not figure into the Box Office numbers. I'll eventually see it on my unlimited DVD rental thingy. I don't fault anyone who DOES choose to catch this at the theater.


-- John

 

[Sage of Seattle]

I am not suggesting Stallone has killed anything other than the English language.

Hahaha!


"AAAAADDDRRRRIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!"

Okay, all this Stallone talk has made me want to go dig out my DVD of First Blood...

 

[mattmacklind]

It's a war movie that ISN'T anti-war and is trying to call attention to a long lasting brutal conflict that the UN and news media have ignored for DECADES. I find it hard to fault Stalone for this one.

I understand that Stallone wanted to make this movie about this particular conflict (and I haven't seen it yet) because it is so ignored. There are, rumored anyway, lobbyists paid to lobby Washington to keep this off the US public radar. I don't know how true that is but it wouldn't surprise me if it were.

As far as someone being anti-gun that has a CC permit, I have friends that are anti-gun and have guns and CC permit, and I don't see it as contradictory. I see it as having ideals but living in reality. I find it a little weird, but don't find it elitist or hipocritical.

 

[JWarren]

I have friends that are anti-gun and have guns and CC permit, and I don't see it as contradictory. I see it as having ideals but living in reality. I find it a little weird, but don't find it elitist or hipocritical.

We'll have to disagree.

-- John

 

[Geronimo45]

Some newer movies seem to realize that guns are, indeed, loud as all getout. Rambo's one of 'em. Maybe I don't notice this too much, since I typically watch movies on the TV set. Very impressive. Rambo has realized that belt-fed MGs work best on a static mount...

Not a bad movie, at all. May see it again.

Spoiler: Rambo survives, as he always does. Has a home-made machete. Kills BGs in droves.

 

[akodo]

my friends and I were sitting around with a few beers talking about this movie when it first started getting press, but before the preview reels in the theater or TC spots. We were all wondering what the storyline would be, who the next villain nation would be, as Rambo generally lined up against whatever America was lined up against. We remarked how he had fought helping the afghanis vs the russains, and how in the end it was the afghani taliban that caused 9/11.

My friend remarked how Rambo 3 ended, with Rambo giving his famous knife to some kid.

I said "Oh, I know how they can tie this movie in with the rest, how they can have a plausable story that will get a 60 year old Rambo off his lay-z-boy and into the jungle again: Have Rambo sitting at home drinking a beer surfing the internet, and he comes to the video footage of that news reporter Daniel Pearl getting his head cut off by terrorists...and then Rambo yells NO! That is my knife they used. The hooded figure must be that kid I gave it to! What have I done! How could things have gone so wrong! I must go there and set thsi right!

 

[Glock22]

Don't you remember Seinfeld? The old name is Burma, the new one is Myanmar.

lol

 

[357fan]

Quick sidenote...Stallone also wrote, or at least co-wrote, the movie.

 

[Lightsped]

My only question regarding Rambo is are Claymore mines really as strong as the movie suggests? I am referring to the part when Rambo takes out the soliders tracking him with dogs....

 

[amprecon]

The claymore was attached to the "Tall Boy" that was dropped there by the English in WWII which was supposedly detonated by the claymore detonation.

 

[jdkelly]

The claymore was attached to the "Tall Boy" that was dropped there by the English in WWII which was supposedly detonated by the claymore detonation.---amprecon

You know, I didn't get that when I watched the movie, thanks.


Respectfully,

jkelly

 

[Silent Bob]

Rambo 4 has been in development hell for over a decade. Around the time of the Murrah bombing in OKC one script had Rambo going after a militia in the U.S.A.

After 9-11, a new script involving Rambo going after a terrorist group led by that Afghan kid that followed him around in part 3 (having grown up into an AQ terrorist) made the rounds.

My brother loved the movie and said the main villian was so cartoonishly evil that it was absurd even in a movie where one man kills hundreds of armed opponenets single-handedly, but I'll probably wait until it hits the dollar theater.

 

[50 Shooter]

Here's a pic for all you Rambo lovers.

 

[Kind of Blued]

I think you guys might get a kick out of this. Pretty interesting points for analysis. Quite humorous as well.

 

[Lucky]

This thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=322624&highlight=burma touched on the Burma situation. EVERYONE should be somewhat informed.

Silent Bob if you believe the 'bad guys' in the latest Rambo movie are cartoonish then you are living with blinders on.

THIS is the greatest problem with our society. People are so easily, and happily deceived, by others and themselves, into thinking that the world is rosy, except in few exceptional places inhabited by people fundamentally different from us. That those people are aliens, and never in any circumstances could our people bear resemblances to them. Despite all evidence to the contrary.

The worst thing is that once enough people believe it their actions seem exactly to bring about situations to forcefully and horribly prove to them how wrong they are.

At ALL TIMES we are half a hair's breadth away from being EXACTLY IN THEIR SITUATION. People are people, all the time, everywhere, and what they are capable of is terrifying. And we're surrounded by them, right now. Perhaps it's a psychological coping mechanism, denial or such, that most turn on that allows them to get by each day. People, ordinary people, do horrible things, sometimes on vast scales, all the time. And you're surrounded by ordinary people, all capable of doing horrible things. I guess to get through the day we all just block it out, and pretend bad things never happen. And when we see depictions of them in art works meant to stimulate our minds, some of us just turn the denial up to a higher setting.


There is NOTHING that bad guys did that was unrealistic, or uncommon.

And even the actions of the helpless 'good guys' are both realistic and common, people watch movies and complain that no-one ever resisted or fought back, despite certain death. In reality this is exactly what happens. Look at the resistance to one skinny insane kid on a college campus filled with people in their physical prime - none.

People aren't born pathetically weak, they are made that way.

 

[Silent Bob]

Lucky, number one, I haven't even seen the movie, just reporting what my brother told me about it.

Number two, freakin' DUH that there are evil people out there in the world.

Number three, I am talking about a movie villian. Key word, movie villain.

I will remove my blinders when you get off your high horse. Seriously, how sanctimonious are you?

Your new name will be Captain Obvious. Hope you enjoy it, you have earned it.

 

[Owen]

C;mon guys, High Road.

 

[feedthehogs]

I would like to think my IQ level rates more than a Stallone movie, besides that pic with the Brady Bunch sign in the back ground kinda makes me ill.

while trying to call attention to a real problem most of the world wants to ignore

We all know the worlds a toilet. That doesn't mean that we either have to be involved or even give a rats rump about it. We ain't the world police.

Those who are worried can move to another country, join the UN forces and make believe they are doing something about it.

 

[Thernlund]

I loved that movie. I'm an intelligent guy. I don't see how one has anything to do with the other.

The movie's got cheese. Oh yeah. I would have been disappointed had it not. That's why I loved it. I was laughing and cheering the whole time. I actually had tears at one point.

People were actually leaving the theatre during some of the battle scenes they were so brutal. MAN!!

The end... All the past Rambo death-cheese all packed into one scene and juiced to the gills on crack! When he unloads that belt-fed Jeep-mounted MG at the guys sitting in the front seat of said jeep only a foot away, DAMN!!! That's the stuff! I about wet myself. He then proceeds to rain total unbridled badassness down upon those who had incorrectly thought they knew what brutal was (referring, of course, to the movie goers).

Like strapping an H-Bomb to Bambi. Oh yeah baby!

I don't even know if there was a plot. I didn't care to check. You just gotta turn off your brain sometimes and be entertained. I was entertained. I went in with the right frame of mind, and came out smiling.


-T.

 

[Lucky]

Bob, to be simple, the movie depicts REAL THINGS that happen. Except for Rambo saving the day. The bad guys are not cartoonishly evil, THEY ARE REAL.

If it was your friend and not you, then fine. It's your friend who is so deluded he cannot differentiate fiction from reality anymore. He believes reality to be cartoonish. Pity him, and worry about the effects his type have in large numbers.


Just take a minute and think about it. It's a REAL place, a REAL situation, REAL events happening to REAL people. And not only are people completely, absolutely ignorant of all of it, they don't even believe it to be POSSIBLE. They think it's a cartoon.

You don't think that's a little bit troubling???

P.S.
You DO realize that it's a real situation, right?

P.P.S.
Don't send me anymore PM love notes, and no I don't want to see whatever pictures of yourself you've taken.

We all know the worlds a toilet.

I don't think it can any longer be assumed that even a majority of people do know that. Plus your foreign policy suggestion of non-intervention only works when that's your foreign policy, which it clearly is not.

 

[Thernlund]

Ummm... I think some of you need to take the same approach to this thread that I took to the movie (mentioned above).


-T.

 

[JWarren]

P.P.S.
Don't send me anymore PM love notes, and no I don't want to see whatever pictures of yourself you've taken

Guys, maybe you SHOULD take it to PMs. Otherwise, this thread degenerates into a Thread Lock in short order.


-- John

 

[DougDubya]

I believe that the world is a fine place, and worth fighting for.

Thus, "all the world's a toilet" is a resentful comment for me, personally.

 

[jerkface11]

DougDubya of course the worlds a toilet. However no one said we aren't allowed to flush.