jehicks87
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What is/are the actual differences between the two? I noticed the Saiga doesn't have the dimples in the reciever above the magwell. Why is that? Any internal differences?
Is it better than a pricey Arsenal Ak?
Zerodefect said:1.) What exactly is the difference?
2.) Why is converting it, whatever that means, superior to a stock Saiga?
3.) How is it done? Do I get to use my majik Dremel tool?
4.) Is it better than a pricey Arsenal Ak?
5.) What about the 12 gauge?
Thanks.
I noticed the Saiga doesn't have the dimples in the reciever above the magwell. Why is that?
4) A pricey Arsenal AK is a Saiga that they've "Converted" and bolted some parts onto. They are equal, and possibly, doing your own conversion is superior. I've converted several rifles and shotguns, and I can tune my own trigger pull.... The Arsenal boys won't do that for you...
Also, I don't think it's fair to say that pressing off/on the FSB and gas block is just "bolting on some parts"...
to convert the Saiga 7.62x39 to take AK mags you have to add a feed ramp and tweak the mag release both of which is cheap and easy to do.
Dimples? Some do, some don't.jehicks87 said:I noticed the Saiga doesn't have the dimples in the reciever above the magwell. Why is that? Any internal differences?
'IZMASH'rule303 said:The Saiga is made in Russia by Izhmech, the same factory that has been producing real military AK's since the beginning. If you get one that has been properly converted they are about the best of the AK's out there. Not that there is anything wrong with owning one of the other clones, but the Saiga is the closest most of us will ever get to owning a "real" AK.
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G'gosh.... My MTS is acting up... I might finish this up later.Zerodefect said:1.) What exactly is the difference?
2.) Why is converting it, whatever that means, superior to a stock Saiga?
3.) How is it done? Do I get to use my majik Dremel tool?
4.) Is it better than a pricey Arsenal Ak?
5.) What about the 12 gauge?