She Drew, and She Was Arrested....

[Kleanbore]

A good read from Claude Werner; some take-away points:

• Displaying a weapon is serious business; without lawful justifcation, it is a crime
• One must have an objective basis for a reasonable belief that an imminent threat exists; "I was in fear for my life" will not cut it
• Don't think in terms of "Tueller distance"
• It could have been worse

https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/friday-fundamentals-boundaries/

Between the lines, one sees the reason for recommendations that carry revolvers should be double action only.

 

[strambo]

Great article. I have found the best antidote for irrational fear is competence resulting from having had professional training. Too bad almost nobody gets any beyond perhaps a few hour mandatory CCW class...

 

[psyopspec]

She Drew, and She Was Arrested....

Rightfully so.

 

[old lady new shooter]

A good read from Claude Werner; some take-away points:

• Displaying a weapon is serious business; without lawful justifcation, it is a crime
• One must have an objective basis for a reasnoable belief that an imminent threat exists; "I was in fear of my life" will not cut it
• Don't think in terms of "Tueller distance"
• It could have been worse

https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/friday-fundamentals-boundaries/

Between the lines, one sees the reason for recommendations that carry revolvers should be double action only.

Very good article, I like the way he laid out the difference between setting boundaries and enforcing boundaries.

 

[25-5]

I liked the article and posted comments.
The topic of situational awareness is so basic, armed or not, yet ignored. The earbud generation is at risk.

 

[Jim K]

It is worth repeating that a claim of self defense directly contradicts a claim of accident or mistake. A person claiming that he/she fired in self defense is admitting that the shooting was intentional, deliberate, and was with the intent to kill or seriously injure the other person. A claim of accident might stand if someone else is killed or injured (the proverbial innocent bystander), but it can be no part of a claim of self defense against the person who supposedly poses a threat.

Jim

 

[TwoFirstNames]

Maybe it is just me, but something just seems off in that story. Odd and one-of-a-kind things do happen though. Maybe this was one of those? Bad bit of business, all the way around no matter how you look at it.
The lessons pointed out though, are appropriate. Don't get so wrapped up your own little world that the real world is unnoticed. That is how accidents happen, whether you are armed or not.

 

[strambo]

I know 1 woman with a CCW like this, she described a similar situation but she didn't have her gun, said she would have drawn it if she did. I tried to talk sense into her and explained in detail why that would have been the wrong thing to do and why, hope it took.

 

[Jim Watson]

A friend was accosted in a parking lot recently: "HEY, Lady, I need to TALK to you!" repeated several times, with approach. She did not brandish her gun but said its presence gave her the confidence to tell the guy to back off. He got the message and skulked away. She set her boundary and started enforcing it; verbally to start, which was enough.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Dunno, the whole thing seems a little off. First, why would someone approach a complete stranger who is NOT smoking for a light? Second, for the lady to point her gun at bystanders shouting "I gonna kill you" is weird. Beginning stages of Alzheimer's?

 

[farmallmta]

... and he'd just bought cigarettes and hadn't realized at the time of purchase he was going to have to light them with a match or lighter? So he walks around the parking lot accosting older unaccompanied ladies for "a light"? BS, I'm not buying it. If my wife pulled a gun on a guy like this, I'd be fully supportive. Assuming she's not a drama queen, which my wife is not... unless I get caught using one of her warm fuzzy socks for a thermos koozy.

The thing is, there's plenty of ways to communicate to a saggy pants zombie you're about to go Dirty Harry on him without going full-bore Dirty Harry immediately. This gal at the minimum needs some wising up. But so does "needs a light" dude.

 

[Snejdarek]

... and he'd just bought cigarettes and hadn't realized at the time of purchase he was going to have to light them with a match or lighter? So he walks around the parking lot accosting older unaccompanied ladies for "a light"? BS, I'm not buying it. If my wife pulled a gun on a guy like this, I'd be fully supportive. Assuming she's not a drama queen, which my wife is not... unless I get caught using one of her warm fuzzy socks for a thermos koozy.

The thing is, there's plenty of ways to communicate to a saggy pants zombie you're about to go Dirty Harry on him without going full-bore Dirty Harry immediately. This gal at the minimum needs some wising up. But so does "needs a light" dude.

"crowded Walmart parking lot"

"security video showed the man, who we could not reach for comment, never got closer than 10 feet"

I could understand that a person who is startled puts a hand on the gun, but pulling it out on someone is something entirely different.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

10 feet can be miiiighty close, depending on circumstances.

I'd have to see the video to get a better "picture" in my mind of what happened, though.

Seems to me that a slip (or flat out complete lack) of situational awareness directly lead to this problem. If a person is carrying a gun for self-defense, they ought to be doing everything they can NOT to be surprised by what is going on around them. I realize 100% surveillance 100% of the time isn't realistically possible, but...

It would SEEM that the basic description of the circumstances, which include being in a crowded parking lot with lots of witnesses, would make any kind of violent act less likely. However, I've been places where the "crowd" and "lots of witnesses" were anything BUT stereotypical upright citizens.

Anyway, I withhold my right to armchair quarterback this until more details are known. I can go either way on this...but it IS our responsibility as people who carry for self-defense to understand the legal boundaries we must operate within.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...there's plenty of ways to communicate to a saggy pants zombie ...

Where do you get this "saggy pants zombie" garbage?

You seem to have a fertile imagination, but making things up isn't helpful.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

From the public transportation to the entrance of my work is about one city block. There are something on the order of 10 homeless I have to say no too in some firm as they beg. One gets very used to saying no and making sure they are in condition yellow. Helps avoid these kind of sunrises.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Seems to me there should be such a thing as training in boundary-setting.