The only thing more important than shot placement is knowing when to shot

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Intresting article I found.

The only thing more important than shot placement is knowing when to shot

A lot of time is spent talking about which weapon or ammo will best suit your particular needs for each facet of personal defense. One topic that is rarely discussed though is how these lethal tools should be employed. Just what are the guidelines?

Years ago I took my first use of force training while I was at the Maricopa County Detention Academy. At the time I thought that what they were teaching me was just watered down ‘jailer’ training, far different from actual police training. A few years later I found out how wrong I was when I had the opportunity to attend the firearms certification course required for all peace officers in Arizona before they may carry a weapon. As I sat in that class I was shocked to find that it was almost identical to the course I took for unarmed use of force back in the academy. Many people who have taken the instruction required to obtain their concealed weapons permit also have the same belief that I held then. Guess what? When I took the CCW course, it was not only the same material, but the same two cops taught it! In fact the only difference between lawful force for police and civilians is that peace officers are not given the option of fleeing the scene to avoid confrontation.

Regular police training emphasizes less on SWAT tactics and more on judgmental use of force. So when gun writers lambaste cops by saying that many are less proficient with their sidearm than the average IPSC shooter, they are doing a great disservice to the law enforcement community. Police are trained to know when to use force in a discretionary manner. Anyone who buys into the belief that police should be able to shoot like the Terminator needs to spend more time as a ride along and less time at Blockbuster video. Lawful use of deadly force has nothing to do with shoot ‘em up, spray & pray tactics. It is a last ditch option when no other course of action is available.

The governing logic behind all use of force is simple, "You may use only that amount of force necessary to overcome the threat." Police apply this logic best by stair stepping their levels of force. If you have ever wondered why modern police carry more weapons than Batman, here’s an example; Two police go to arrest a transient. First they verbally command him to comply, he resists. Next they grab him and begin to use Akido holds to administer pain compliance, but he pulls a knife from his belt. One officer pulls his sidearm and covers his partner who responds to the threat with a blast of OC pepper. More verbal commands are given, "Put down the knife and surrender!" The subject still refuses and threatens the two officers who (in some departments) respond by firing two darts from a hand held Tazer. Still resisting, and impervious to the barrage of non-lethal devices used on him, the transient charges one of the officers. Officer number one responds with a single shot that stops the attacker.

In each of these steps, the officers responded to each threat increase by raising the level of force slightly in response. While most real world police shootings do not have this many steps, this scenario is common and in almost all cases the officers are quickly cleared. Because they took such extensive pains to avoid shooting the perpetrator, it would be very unlikely for them to be convicted of criminal wrong-doing. Also, they could have shut down the situation at any time had the transient yielded.

One of the aspects of modern defense is the ‘shoot to stop’ doctrine. It is not uncommon for people to believe that the proper intent in a lethal encounter is to shoot to kill. In our litigious world just uttering that phrase following a shooting is enough to guarantee that you will become the next David Goetz, sued for your entire future.

To intentionally kill an attacker actually violates the use of force code, Only that amount of force necessary... Yes, it’s a bizarre world we live in, designed by lawyers and built by judges!

In modern force methodology, you shoot to stop the bad guy from doing whatever he is doing. Upon compliance you stop firing, his death is a coincidental factor of your response. We don’t care if the offender goes away mad, just so long as he goes away. If this can be done with the mere sight of a .50 cal Desert Eagle with suppresser and Tac light, then all the better for you!

There will be those that argue that deadly force has its own doctrine above and beyond normal levels of force because most state statutes specify that imminent danger to yourself or another must be present in order to respond with deadly force. But these requirements fall within the bounds of ‘only that amount of force...’ The simplest way to understand deadly force is that it can only be used in response to deadly force. Think of it like a chess game where only a pawn can attack a pawn, bishops can only attack bishops. You must have a reasonable fear for your life or that of another before you can administer deadly force. The threshold for reasonable fear may vary from person to person. I might lack legal justification for shooting a 6’, 180 lb man who attacks me with fists. Because I’m healthy, have no physical impairments, and have both the professional training and experience to respond to the threat, I would be less likely to be able to convince a grand jury that I had serious fear of death. By contrast, if that same man attacked my 5'3" wife then his death would likely be ruled as justified because she is shorter, weaker, and has no defensive training. In her case it would be prudent to assume that she would be overcome by almost any male attacker.

A good example of reasonable fear was a burglary that occurred out in the county several years ago. The homeowner heard several men moving around at the end of his hallway by the living room. When he moved to the other end of the hallway with gun in hand they heard him. In the darkness he heard one of the criminals tell another "Let’s ---- him up!" At this point, against multiple attackers and in total darkness, he had a reasonable fear of imminent danger. They had agreed to harm him. He fired into the darkness hitting two of the three. Of the two who had escaped, one was caught later in the emergency room. His defense was that they had not been armed, hence the homeowner had no right to fire on them. The police disagreed and found the man’s actions reasonable.

So the next time that you hear someone tell you that most cops shoot poorly, try and keep in mind that no one pays them to kill people. The first rule to surviving a gun fight is to avoid it completely. But for those times that you are given no alternative, use of force must be done with the utmost in discretionary judgment. Because when the time comes you will be acting on instinct and adrenaline, it is best to incorporate alternative steps into your training regime.

Practice verbally challenging targets, carry a secondary non-lethal weapon, and work out emergency procedures on the range in advance. Most of all, take the time to learn the use of force statutes for your state by visiting the public law library in your county. Chances are you will find that you are not even legally permitted to use your weapon to stop the commission of a felony unless there exists reasonable fear of death. On the flip side, most states statutorily permit the use of deadly force to stop rape, kidnapping, or arson of an occupied structure.
 
That's well written and logical. Not sure if it's entirely accurate.

Off the top of my head crowd control comes to mind, then the 'he was unarmed but could have grabbed my gun' argument, the discretion available to qualify compliance, and so on.

Just doing my bit to help ensure otherwise top quality. Spelling and grammer are exceptional, however!
 
Who wrote the article ? In any case before you run out and get a gun for defense , get training ,the very best you can find!!
 
The only problem I have with the article is that is seems as if it is attempting to say that poor shooting by peace officers can be excused because they take less-lethal steps first. That just doesn't make sense. Why shouldn't the officers be expected to be proficient with their ultimate form of response?

Of course, I understand that the job of a police officer is largely unrelated to the use of firearms and that many (if not most) go through their careers without having to fire a shot. I don't propose that all officers should be ninja-type marksmen, just that enough training time be allotted that they are equipped with the ability to use their firearms effectively when they are necessary. Training budgets and programs need to take this into account.
 
In a perfect world….

There is no question that more cops need to practice with a hand gun, but more cops need to practice high speed pursuits and court room testimony as well, more cops need to take a basic college level English class or computer class along with brushing up on verbal judo skills too! People here fixate on the gun issue because this site is about guns, if we were on a car site it would be about chase policy, if we were on a forum about debating skills it would be about their ability to communicate and so forth and so on…



I for one am a strong advocate of a tazer in all LEO’s hands, for the simple reason that it gives me one last step on the use of force continuum before we reach the last rung and I have employ deadly force.

We recently discussed and have a thread or two going at present using deadly force against an unarmed attacker, which can and should be justified in certain circumstances one being disparages in size between officer and attacker.

The tazer would give the officer the ability to go to that step quicker and for that reason reduce the chance that deadly force will be necessary.

All cops are taught from day one of basic criminal law that articulation is the foundation of everything you do, from daily traffic stops and misdemeanor criminal cases to building larger felony cases and ultimately employing deadly force.

Cops are taught to match reaction against action plus one step up on the UOFC.

People have difficulty with the idea that cops can use deadly force against unarmed suspects but that fact is only debated by the ignorant or uneducated, those who believe they know more about the law than they actually do, those are the ones who usually end up getting shot or hurt badly in a confrontation with LE, which would have gone smoothly (such as a traffic stop or a stop-and-talk encounter on a suspicious person call), if they had not acted out of stupidity.


JUSTIFICATION FOR THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE

“to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others; or when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm†(O.C.G.A. 17-4-20)


When all other means of defense have failed or would be inappropriate under the circumstances, officers may use deadly force, if they reasonably believe such force is necessary to defend themselves or another person from death or great bodily harm.

When necessary to prevent or stop the commission of forcible felonies. Deadly force shall not be used towards persons who have committed or are committing traffic violations, misdemeanors, non-forcible felonies or forcible felonies not in progress.

To arrest a person at the scene of a crime who is attempting to escape, but only if there is serious threat of immediate danger to the officer or third persons, such as the use of firearms or taking of hostages. Escapees from arrest or confinement are guilty only of a misdemeanor until convicted, irrespective of the nature of the original offense. Deadly force is prohibited in such instances.
 
Weasel ~

It's kind of rude to put up an article without any attribution. Where'd it come from? Who wrote it?

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About the article itself.

Regular police training emphasizes less on SWAT tactics and more on judgmental use of force. So when gun writers lambaste cops by saying that many are less proficient with their sidearm than the average IPSC shooter, they are doing a great disservice to the law enforcement community. Police are trained to know when to use force in a discretionary manner. Anyone who buys into the belief that police should be able to shoot like the Terminator needs to spend more time as a ride along and less time at Blockbuster video. Lawful use of deadly force has nothing to do with shoot ‘em up, spray & pray tactics. It is a last ditch option when no other course of action is available.
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So the next time that you hear someone tell you that most cops shoot poorly, try and keep in mind that no one pays them to kill people. The first rule to surviving a gun fight is to avoid it completely. But for those times that you are given no alternative, use of force must be done with the utmost in discretionary judgment. Because when the time comes you will be acting on instinct and adrenaline, it is best to incorporate alternative steps into your training regime.
Logical fallacies -- and dangerous ones at that.

Lawful use of force is a "last ditch option" for the armed citizen as well as for the police.

An innocent bystander killed by a wild shot probably won't care one iota that the person who killed her didn't mean to do it, or whether that person was wearing a badge, or whether that person tried to de-escalate the situation first or tried using less-lethal options before pulling out the gun.

Poor shooting is dangerous shooting. If you cannot shoot safely on the range, you have no business carrying a gun on the street -- no matter who you are or who pays you to do it.

pax

There's nothing wrong with shooting so long as the right people get shot. -- Dirty Harry
 
This is exactly the type of thing that people such as Massad Ayoob specialize in. His courses are excellent--you should attend at least LFI-1 if you want to get a good idea of the legal aspects of deadly force. It's very sobering.
 
I’ve heard that he has a great class, well structured and presented.

I’ve been in LE for several years now and have attended many schools on the issue including the Federal Marshals Advanced Firearms Training Course at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, GA. where we were taught by Secret Service and US Marshal Instructors on the application of deadly force from the federal LE level including the use of deadly force against a fleeing felon based on USMS court cases and doctrine.

The most sobering classes I’ve attended are the judgmental use of force classes put on at GPSTC here in GA and the reactionary shooting skills classes the Secret Service put on at Glynco.
 
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