Shed hunting poacher....on talk radio

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The original image was taken down because it was kind of not High Road.

However, this one that I've created should pass muster without much issue.

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For those who are interested, Levi can be contacted at the following email address: [email protected]
 

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Planting food plots is certainly not immoral nor illegal. It is indeed a part of good wildlife/game management. Supplemental to what is produced in the forest, of course, but not the same thing as throwing out bait.

Ash
 
Death threat posters are scary?

We used to burn public officials in effigy in this country.

Anyway, the "kid" got what he deserved with the fine.

jm
 
yeah the kid was tresspassing but get over it people there just antlers. the landowner sounds to be a freakin idiot for spending all that money just for sheds walk around and you find them i find plenty without any cash on other peoples land just ask and there usually more than happy to let you hunt sheds. can they even prove that he found them on that guys land just beause he was on the land with antlers doesn't mean that he found them there more then likely he did but you don't no that for sure I'd give him 1warning if i caught him there again without my permission then its time to call the cops.
 
If he had done work to harvest antlers to sell on market, it can be a very big deal. If you have fruit growing on trees or shrubs in your yard, would you care if I stripped your trees without permission? What's the big deal, they're just apples, right? Besides, you can't prove that my sack of apples came from your trees. Just get over it.

The question is, do you think this guy didn't do it?

Ash
 
They might be "just antlers", but so what?

The property owner apparently enjoys that pastime. He planted corn, and left it up rather than harvest and sell it so he could enjoy that activity. How can one assign a price to that sort of activity?

So what if he sounds like an idiot to you? Its his property, and he enjoys it. Lots of folks do things that seem strange. It's a lot easier and cheaper to go buy a case of beer than brew it up at home. But some guys home-brew because they enjoy the activity.


The antlers fell on his property. He had a right to them. This young man, not a kid but a full grown man, did not. He may not like the landowner for denying him the chance to walk his property and collect those antlers. But that's because the landowner enjoys that activity himself. And he spent an investment in both time and money to create conditions to enhance what he took pleasure in. He didn't just rob him of some measly deer horns. He took away a chance to do something he enjoyed.


I know fellows who created fishponds on their property. They stock them with fish, feed them, and create nice conditions for them to thrive so they can go spend a lazy Sunday catching them with their grandsons. If some guy snuck in at night and caught all the guy's fish, he's robbed him of something that is hard to assign a dollar value to.


I listened to the radio broadcast. Levi Ward's father should be ashamed. The property owners around this landowner benefitted from him leaving that field unharvested. The deer had a supply of quality food during the winter. Any deer they hunted during that fall season that fed off his crop, but wandered onto the neighboring land, was fattened by his efforts. Rather than castigate him, they should thank him.


This represents the worst aspects of unethical hunters. They insist they should have a right to use someone else's property in the name of hunting.
 
I agree that the kid did wrong, but I have trouble believing that the land owner invested all that time and money for the sole purpose of collecting shed antlers. He is stretching the point quite a bit. He may have spent a lot of money, but it wasn't just for the antlers.

It would have been a lot more effective to have set up the camera with a view of a No Trespassing sign as well. Now that would have been good. Were there No Trespassing signs?
 
Is that a state that requires posting? If it is not, then no sign is needed. In many states, trespassing is trespassing, regardless of a colorful sign. There are plenty of "posted" signs about, but they are merely reminders.

In any case, he may have also used the corn field as a food plot for actual hunting. He may not, who knows. I have managed more than 130,000 acres of timber and I have seen land owners spend large amounts of money and time for their animal of choice, often times without hunting in mind. I've seen landowns spend insane amounts of money for aesthetics alone (money that won't make trees grow any faster). It's their land and their money.

Ash
 
I agree with Cosmoline--in most places, should be all, feeding wildlife is illegal.

It's not illegal. I have one of these. It's completely legal and I could look it up for you in Texas Parks and Wildlife regulations. Don't live in Texas? I feel real sorry for you. :D

If you don't like that, I have a trap set for hogs, baited with soured corn. I just walk up and put a .38 in their heads, drag 'em out of the trap, and gut 'em, no need to sit in a stand and watch a feeder. It's protein I'm after, not mosquito bites.

I can't improve on what Ken says. And, here, property doesn't even need a fence, let alone a sign. Trespass is trespass.

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Savage Shooter, you commented about "just antlers". Did you read of the market value of those "just antlers"?

From Post #2: "...he can get $7 a pound for the sheds, unless you get a rare one then you have to get a set, been offered $100-150 for a set."

The thief was stealing for the money, not some sort of casual, "Hey, look at the neat set of antlers I found. I'm gonna put those above my desk."

The landowner is willing to forego $4,000 in income in order to have enjoyment of his property. That's a pretty sizable monetary-value theft by this "only trespassing" piece of human garbage.

I dunno. The idea that it's trivial to hurt somebody's enjoyment of his proprrety bothers me. IMO, it's not trivial to just blow off somebody's property rights. And I purely do despise a thief.

My attitude is real simple: If it's on somebody else's property, IT AIN'T MINE!
 
On trespassing where there are no signs posted or fences: you may not know whose land it is, but you should know it's not yours.

Those sheds have monetary value independent of the investment by the landowner.

the landowner sounds to be a freakin idiot for spending all that money just for sheds

Just because something has little value to another doesn't decrease it's value to the owner, and it certainly doesn't make it any less a crime to steal it.
 
Just antlers?..........one pair of sheds from Iowa sold last year for around $17,000, another set went for around $5,000. The area this happened in is where the Tony Lovstuen Buck was taken and is well known for world class racks.

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Net non-typical Boone and Crockett score of 307 5/8, Tony Lovstuen's 38-point Iowa monster is the world's biggest whitetail ever shot by a hunter.
 
If the antlers weren't worth anything, why was the guy out there in the first place?

Kinda reminds me of the scrappers that "find" stuff and take it to the salvage yards to sell. That roll of copper wire? Just "found" it laying in some yard. Didn't look like it belonged to anybody. Been there for a long time. They weren't using it anyway......
 
A trespasser taking anything not belonging to him is a thief.

Sounds like this guy may be petty, but he's not just a petty thief.

Now, it doesn't warrant a shooting or lynching, but his daddy should be ashamed he didn't get through to the fella when he was younger that you ask before you take what isn't yours.
 
What annoys me is that a real man doesn't moan and complain about how some trespassing kid has destroyed his life. Nor does he post absurd wanted posters on the net like some teenage girl in a hissy fit. He demands his property back in writing and if it is not forthcoming he takes the matter to court for PROPER RESOLUTION LIKE AN ADULT. The court will issue an order of replevin and/or for proper damages.
 
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a real man doesn't moan and complain about how some kid has destroyed his life, or post absurd wanted posters on the net like some teenaged girl in a hissy fit

The landowner did neither. He gathered evidence and went to the authorities. He also enumerated why being stolen from bothered him. It wasn't the landowner that made up the original poster, and didn't (I don't think) overstate what was taken from him.

Wild animals should remain wild.

Keep in mind the relative population densities of Alaska and Texas. Particularly in cramped quarters, humans can't avoid having and effect on the local wildlife. We're going to change their range, movements, and eating habits. At least we can say we've encouraged some genetic variety in the state. Variety aides survival, which is good game management.
 
If the story was just this one guy, it might be read and forgotten about. Unfortunately it is all too common.

Wisconsin is a big whitetail hunting state. And I wish I could say that everyone I met was professional and considerate of fences and private property.

The first year I worked as professional sharpener a "hunter" asked me to repair a Buck Alpha Hunter that had some major chips in the edge. This "sportsman" told me it happened "chopping down a barbwire fence" that was "in the way" to his favorite hunting spot. Turns out the real owner of the property put up the fence.

Another guy told me his tale of woe when a piece of land changed hands. An older gentleman had originally owned the land, and the title was bequeathed to his son upon death. The new owner had a family and didn't want people he never met on his land with guns, and he posted the property.

This "hunter" looked me in the eye fuming that all of the "good deer" were now out of reach.

These guys were around, are around, and will be around as long as people hunt. There is always an excuse, always a twist of fortune that makes them criminals or justifies a deer to poach.

In telling the story, I wonder if the "death warrant" was actually a clever way to scare the kid into coming forward.
 
Cosmo,

This wasn't a kid, he was an adult.


The property owner didn't add the commentary to the picture. As I understand it he put the picture up looking for help identifying the trespasser. Someone else doctored it up and posted it.


I think we both know that the courts aren't concerned about exacting justice for individuals.
 
And hollering for physical violence is Low Road, regardless of the provocation
So is one in one hundred folks incarcerated in this country high road? I would say it is high time something was done to curtail crime in this country and Jail or at least jail and punishment as we know it ain't getting the job done.
I durn sure don't know the answer, but the system in use presently isn't it. Some good old fashioned corporal punishment may not be high road to some but under the present circumstances it sounds good to me, an for sure something else needs to be done.
I can't speak for anyone but I for one am tired of the way folks live in fear of their lives and property. That doesn't strike me as very high road either.
Spare the rod and spoil the child holds for grownups too IMHO.
 
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A shed may be just a shed but if this "kid" didn't get caught, what would of happened next. If I caught somebody trespassing on my land doing anything I'd be pissed. If they were stealing from me I'd be very pissed, because that is what he was doing in my book. $100 fine is not nearly enough he should have been prosecuted for theft.
 
He also enumerated why being stolen from bothered him. It wasn't the landowner that made up the original poster, and didn't (I don't think) overstate what was taken from him.

If he's in the right, he can take the individual to court and get his property back or compensation. I really see no point to airing a grudge against a neighbor on talk radio or the internet.

I think we both know that the courts aren't concerned about exacting justice for individuals.

That's cynical nonsense. This is, as presented, a very straight-forward case of trespass and conversion that could be resolved quickly in small claims court. We're not living in a third world nation here.
 
Is that a state that requires posting? If it is not, then no sign is needed. In many states, trespassing is trespassing, regardless of a colorful sign. There are plenty of "posted" signs about, but they are merely reminders.

Yes Ash, I wasn't arguing for the sake of legalities, but for the sake of photodocumentation.

Kinda reminds me of the scrappers that "find" stuff and take it to the salvage yards to sell. That roll of copper wire? Just "found" it laying in some yard. Didn't look like it belonged to anybody. Been there for a long time. They weren't using it anyway......

redneck2, as you know from a previous thread, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307619&highlight=pay+hunt+land , there are those who feel that such resources are public property. If they don't feel that it is right or legal that they be restricted from actually hunting community resources, they won't think twice about collecting resources off the ground.

What annoys me is that a real man doesn't moan and complain about how some trespassing kid has destroyed his life.

LOL, I can't believe somebody played the testicular "real man" card. If you want to play the real man card, then let's just say that real men don't steal...and you aren't with the MMM are you Cosmoline, right? If you were, then I would expect you to call the thief a kid or child, LOL. As pro gun people, we have argued repeatedly that the kids and children often referred to by the MMM are old enough to vote and own guns and hence are ADULTS. If he is an adult and recognized as such by us for gun ownership reasons, then he is an adult enough to be complained about for his transgressions. Since when do folks not get to complain about crimes committed against them?
 
There's getting to be too much backing-and-forthing of a personal nature about "What I believe is..." vs. what somebody else believes.

Feeding or not-feeding wildlife is not at issue, here; it's off-topic.
 
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