Sheer MADD-ness: When Drunk Driving Deterrence Becomes Neo-Prohibition

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Any way to avoid the trip to the breathalyzer?
a quick chat with you would show a perfectly coherent, orientated

If I got stopped on my way home from working a 12 hour midnight shift there is little reason to believe I'd appear coherent and oriented from a conversational standpoint. This may even be the case on my way back to work after a few short hours of sleep. My eyes are red and I am dead tired. I don't verbalize well in the first place, never did. Balance? I'm lucky to survive getting out of the house some days. I have back problems and frequent headaches.

If I am put in the position of having to prove myself innocent I figure I'll just blow in their face. That should dispell any suspicions in a hurry! Hey if she's a cutie pie officer I might ask for a smootch. That's gotta be good proof. Right? :D

Biker dude - There are people who lack driving skills. For them to acknowledge others are capable of controlling a vehicle under any circumstance outside the ordinary would mean to admit their own inadequacies. That isn't going to happen any time soon. We're all created equal, remember? :evil:
 
I'm looking through the Constitution, trying to find the "Right to own and operate motor vehicles shall not be infringed".

I'm coming up at a dead loss.
Hmmm... I think I'd include it in the 9th. See, in a car-based society there are many instances and places where if you can't drive you can't go anywhere. And I damn SURE have a right to travel.
 
I'm looking through the Constitution, trying to find the "Right to own and operate motor vehicles shall not be infringed".

This is why we are going to lose, as a whole society :(

Try this for a change, look through the constitution for a place where it says that the government has the right to keep us from operating motor vehicles.

Convincing us that the only rights we "get" are those listed in the constitution is the single greatest defeat our notion of a "free society" has ever suffered.
 
It is necessary today to drive a MV in order to make living for most people in most circumstances. Care to provide govt. funded taxis? Keep those who can't afford ins. on welfare of one kind or another or pay for them to sit in jail? Make it a jailable offense to have *one* glass of wine with dinner? Oops...
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Anti-DUI Types Beyond Parody in Their Fanaticsm

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Make it a jailable offense to have *one* glass of wine with dinner?

Your reductio ad absurdum is Law Enforcement's command.

Dinner, dinner everywhere and not a drop to drink
By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 15/10/2005)

It has survived the fast-food "vulgarianism" of Bill Clinton and the Tex-Mex "cowboy" tastes of George W Bush. But now the grand Washington dinner party is facing the zero-tolerance regime of the DC police, who insist a single glass of wine is too much if you want to drive home.

For decades the city's social powerbrokers have maintained the dining traditions of a bygone era: dress "informal", meaning frocks and suits; the honoured guest receiving and delivering an elegant homily and, crucially, cocktails, several wines and liqueurs flowing.

Ronald Reagan, who presided over a boom in Washington entertaining after the drabber years of the Carters, dubbed the city's legendary hostesses, "the Georgetown Ladies' Social Club". As they and their successors have long made clear, it takes more than the arrival of a new First Family at the White House to knock them off their perch.

Bill Clinton may have been known on the 1992 campaign trail for his midnight pizzas and love of deep fried chicken but, like his predecessors, he made the social pilgrimage to the table of Katharine Graham, the late owner of the Washington Post.

Speculation that his successor would oversee a culture change also proved wide of the mark. As his critics love to chortle, the tee-totalling Mr Bush likes being tucked up by 10pm. He has hosted only a handful of state dinners and he provoked Batemanesque outrage in Georgetown when one of his first trips out of the White House was to a garish Tex Mex joint. But the dinner parties have continued apace.

This week, however, the dinner party set awoke to a dire new challenge. Emblazoned on the front page of the Post, was the chilling cautionary tale of Debra Bolton.

It was about half past midnight one morning last May. The 45-year-old lawyer was on her way home from dinner at Café Milano, a trendy eatery in Georgetown when she was pulled over by the police for driving without lights.

She apologised, admitted to having drunk one glass of wine and ended up being handcuffed, imprisoned and facing a four-month legal battle.

For Sally Quinn, wife of the Post's former editor, Ben Bradlee, and the self-designated successor to Katharine Graham, this was too much.

"All I can say is thank God none of the legendary Georgetown hostesses and grandes dames is left in Washington to see this day," she wrote in the paper. "The city may just as well roll up the red carpet and shut its doors after what we have just learned."

Her reminiscences of the 1970s when five-course dinners starting with martinis and ending with Dom Perignon and crêpes Suzette sounded, as she admitted, a little wistful.

The concept of a political salon is a bit passé these days; five courses have become three and it is widely acknowledged you need a heavy European - preferably British - presence to keep an occasion going after 11pm.

David Heymann, author of The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club, says the new era is a pale imitation of the old. He believes possibly only Teresa Heinz Kerry, the fabulously wealthy wife of Mr Bush's defeated Democratic challenger, can now afford a Katharine Graham-style entertaining schedule.

But to anyone who has endured hours of politicking over dinner from the city's regiments of blazered apparatchiks, Miss Quinn's conclusion rings all too true: "Who's going to drive to some horrible official party knowing they can't have a drink? How do you think people get through these parties anyway? It's not by drinking Diet Coke."

You can't make this stuff up.

I truly hope nobody ever proposes, even in jest, that drivers (who have a BAC of more than 0, but less than 0.08) be given educational/inspirational beatings and/or harassings to "scare them into (driving) straight.

Because some craptacular wanna-be Mussolini will think it a dandy idea...and then implement it.
 
Personally, I'd be quite willing to let people drive while drinking and only punish those who injured someone else. However, it would take a constitutional amendment for those punishments would be very cruel and very unusual. I don't think you'd see much driving and drinking under my plan. The drinking drivers would be too nauseous to drink after what happened to the last guy.

I came up on my cousin one night shortly after he was released from prison. He was imprisoned for vehicular homicide while driving drunk after four or five previous DUI's. He was sitting in his car in a convenience store parking lot. Drunk. Going on and on about how he had been wronged by his imprisonment for three or four years. I told him bullcrap. You're sitting here in a nice car drunk. You're victim is still lying in a cold grave. You think you were done wrong? Tell you what: I would have put a motorcycle on tracks with a rocket motor welded to the back. Strapped you on it and run you into the front end of a car at the end of the tracks at 120 mph. I would have treated you exactly as you treated the man you killed while he was riding his motorcycle.

My cousin won't speak to me anymore.:neener: But he wouldn't be driving drunk anymore if I had control of the penalities.
 
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