nalioth
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The ATF FAQ has been known to have a few "discrepancies" in it.woad_yurt said:Wow. I think I did get my original info from the ATF FAQ. I stand corrected.
Correct but the statements made were pertaining to federal law, not company policy. When an individual is shipping to an FFL, there is no law requiring you to notify the shipper that the package contains a firearm. This is a requirement of company policies. The point being that you can legally ship a handgun by UPS or FedEx Ground service but you do so at your own peril. Because if you have to file a claim for loss or damage, they will not honor the insurance claim due to the policy violation.We HAVE TO DECLARE a handgun because the UPS and FEDEX regs demand it.
Permanently inoperable. A firearm
which is incapable of discharging a shot
by means of an explosive and incapable of
being readily restored to a firing condition.
An acceptable method of rendering most
firearms permanently inoperable is to fusion
weld the chamber closed and fusion
weld the barrel solidly to the frame. Certain
unusual firearms require other methods
to render the firearm permanently
inoperable. Contact ATF for instructions.
Missileman said:I went in and they said I had to have an FFL # of the receiver to verify the receiving address. I explained to them that was true in a sale or transfer, this was neither.
Then my question is, why would it be any different for a sale or a transfer? You are still shipping the guns across state lines which requires the gun be shipped to an FFL. It doesn't matter if it is a sale/transfer/gift/repair.
Missileman said:The primary reason for the FFL transfer is to track ownership, collect taxes, and insure background checks are completed. Since returning a gun to a gunsmith or manufacturer gunsmith for repair is not a change in ownership different rules apply.
Anger said:Op.... I would just dispute the difference with your credit card and be done with it
On YOUR end of the transaction, as a private party shipping a firearm out of state, the Federal laws are exactly the same. You were under absolutely no different rules sending your broken gun to the manufacturer for repair than if you were shipping a perfectly operable gun to a person's receiving FFL after selling it to them.
Missileman said:This is not completely true. It is correct that I must ship to a license holder as is the normal requirement. What is different is that I DO NOT have to fill out a form 4473 transfer form. I also do not have to turn the gun in to a local FFL for transfer so the form can be filed and stored. I also DO NOT have to supply a copy of the receiving FFL license for verification that they are willing to accept the transfer.
Missileman said:So I apologize NavyLT. Something an NCO always finds hard to do or say, but you are correct
And if you don't hold an FFL, you committed a felony both times.I shipped a Tomcat back to Beretta in 2002 via Priority Mail. I still have the receipts. It cost me $3.95 for shipping plus $4 to insure it for $300. No hassles, no issues. I shipped a new gun back to S&W in 2005 for warranty service. As best I remember, I sent that via Priority Mail also. I don't have the receipts for that one handy, so I can't be absolutely sure it was Priority Mail, but I'm sure I would remember if I had been ripped by UPS.
I'm careful to follow the rules and I don't recall any problems. I'm pretty sure that I told the PO what I was sending. The address makes it pretty obvious. I remember a pleasant transaction at the PO. That's why I asked when the rules changed. I guess I can contact the PO and ask.And if you don't hold an FFL, you committed a felony both times.