Shipping a handgun

[qbpc]

OK I know shipping has been covered but I searched and have not found what I was looking for.
1 I am returning a Neos back to Beretta for recall.
2 I know I can ship it and have it returned to me.

Now what I am unclear about is that I want to ship it from a friends business because no adult is at my address (when UPS runs) to ship or sign for upon return. Will this break any laws? I do not want to get him or me in any legal trouble.

 

[docnyt]

IIRC you can only ship it to yourself. You may be able to pick it up at a UPS hub.

Another option is to ship it to and from an FFL.

 

[dogtown tom]

qbpc OK I know shipping has been covered but I searched and have not found what I was looking for.
1 I am returning a Neos back to Beretta for recall.
2 I know I can ship it and have it returned to me.

Now what I am unclear about is that I want to ship it from a friends business because no adult is at my address (when UPS runs) to ship or sign for upon return. Will this break any laws? I do not want to get him or me in any legal trouble.

ATF regulations do not require that it be returned only to your home address....but to YOU. Beretta will return it to that same address with your name on it. (just be sure that no one but you opens the package).

 

[WC145]

I assume that since it's a recall Beretta is sending you a return tag. When I've returned guns to the factory for repair that way I've sent them through shipping and receiving at work (a hospital) using both UPS and FedEx. Never had a problem and the guns were shipped directly back to me at home.

 

[nalioth]

IIRC you can only ship it to yourself.

Yep, and as dogtown tom points out, "YOU" can be anywhere.

On vacation in another state and your firearm break? You can ship your firearm for service and get it back at your vacation spot - legally.

 

[qbpc]

Thank you for the info on this. That was my understanding to but I man enough to admit I been wrong before.

 

[pbkluther]

check with fedex, they have a "hold at location service" where you can ship it to any of their locations and pick the item up with a photo ID. I dont know their rules on handguns however. 1-800-463-3399 dial 0 for an agent when it answers.

 

[rellascout]

They will ship the gun back to "you" where ever you ask them to. That has been my experience.

 

[nalioth]

check with fedex

FedEx is antigun, when compared to UPS.

I'm sure UPS has a similar program and is respectful of your civil rights.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Originally Posted By: qbpc
Now what I am unclear about is that I want to ship it from a friends business because no adult is at my address (when UPS runs) to ship or sign for upon return.

Not to be intrusive or anything but since you mentioned it, if you're not old enough to receive the gun how are you old enough to own a handgun?

 

[nalioth]

Now what I am unclear about is that I want to ship it from a friends business because no adult is at my address (when UPS runs) to ship or sign for upon return.

Not to be intrusive or anything but since you mentioned it, if you're not old enough to receive the gun how are you old enough to own a handgun?

Someone needs to visit their "Remedial Logic 101" class

If the guy is working when UPS runs, there might not be any adults at his house at that time.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Ehhh, Senior moment...

 

[lloveless]

I have found fedex easier to deal with regarding guns than ups. Ups I have to travel 60 miles one way to go to a "hub" to ship. Fedex has a drop off to ship from only 20 miles away.
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[NavyLCDR]

OK I know shipping has been covered but I searched and have not found what I was looking for.
1 I am returning a Neos back to Beretta for recall.

IIRC you can only ship it to yourself. You may be able to pick it up at a UPS hub.

Another option is to ship it to and from an FFL.

I am pretty sure that Beretta has an FFL. I would think the ATF would have shut them down, by now, if they didn't.

As everyone else has said, as long as the gun is addressed to YOU, being the person who sent it to Beretta, it doesn't matter what address it goes to.

 

[qbpc]

Yes ArchangelCD I am double the legal age to own a handgun. I work across 3 states and chances of me catching UPS is slim unless its the rare day I get to work from home. That is why I have things shipped to his store.

 

[Pilot]

Recently, I shipped a Walther P-1 via UPS, next day air, afternoon delivery and it cost $77. Which was the cheapest available and I used the smallest box possible.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[qbpc]

Beretta if footing the bill so I am not worried about the shipping cost. They will send a label with the driver upon pickup.

 

[dogtown tom]

Pilot Recently, I shipped a Walther P-1 via UPS, next day air, afternoon delivery and it cost $77. Which was the cheapest available and I used the smallest box possible.

This is getting ridiculous.

And your local dealer could have mailed it for you via USPS Priority Mail for less than $20 with insurance+ transfer fee. Find a dealer who does transfer for $25 or less and you'll save considerable money.

 

[nalioth]

Recently, I shipped a Walther P-1 via UPS, next day air, afternoon delivery and it cost $77. Which was the cheapest available and I used the smallest box possible.

This is getting ridiculous.

And your local dealer could have mailed it for you via USPS Priority Mail for less than $20 with insurance+ transfer fee. Find a dealer who does transfer for $25 or less and you'll save considerable money.

You charge transfer fees for repairs?

Wow.

. . . especially when no transfer is taking place.

 

[dogtown tom]

nalioth

Quote:
Originally Posted by dogtown tom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilot
Recently, I shipped a Walther P-1 via UPS, next day air, afternoon delivery and it cost $77. Which was the cheapest available and I used the smallest box possible.

This is getting ridiculous.

And your local dealer could have mailed it for you via USPS Priority Mail for less than $20 with insurance+ transfer fee. Find a dealer who does transfer for $25 or less and you'll save considerable money.

You charge transfer fees for repairs?

Wow.

. . . especially when no transfer is taking place.

1.Uh.....where did Pilot say he was sending his pistol in for repair? He didn't.
So......Wow.

2. A transfer IS taking place. You should know that- given how often you've posted on this forum about ATF regs. Anytime a dealer receives a firearm- it goes in his bound book. Anytime a dealer disposes of a firearm it goes in his book. Those actions constitute a transfer. If a person brings a firearm to his dealer to ship it is a transfer.

3. As a matter of fact I DON"T charge my customers a transfer fee for returning a gun to the factory for repair, nor do I charge them when the gun is returned to me from the factory. Of course they could do the packing themselves and ship it Next Day for $70.

4. If they prefer to have me ship it back I charge them $10 plus actual postage to do so. Depending on how long I have to stand in line at the post office that $10 shipping fee is pretty damned cheap.


5. How long have you been a licensed dealer? And how much do you charge for transfers or shipping firearms?

 

[nalioth]

5. How long have you been a licensed dealer? And how much do you charge for transfers or shipping firearms?

I let my license lapse when I went to work overseas.

I do remember enough to know the "transfer" that the law requires to be documented on a 4473 and with a NICS check is the transfer of ownership. Tendering a gun to an FFL for repair is not a transfer of ownership. It goes in the book and comes out of the book.

2. A transfer IS taking place. You should know that- given how often you've posted on this forum about ATF regs. Anytime a dealer receives a firearm- it goes in his bound book. Anytime a dealer disposes of a firearm it goes in his book. Those actions constitute a transfer. If a person brings a firearm to his dealer to ship it is a transfer.

 

[dogtown tom]

nalioth: I do remember enough to know the "transfer" that the law requires to be documented on a 4473 and with a NICS check is the transfer of ownership. Tendering a gun to an FFL for repair is not a transfer of ownership. It goes in the book and comes out of the book.

Ownership has nothing to do with it. Possession does. You can own a firearm and still be required to have it transferred to you. This has been covered ad naseum on THR every week.
And there is a significant difference if the gun is left with the dealer to repair than if the gun is returned by the dealer to the factory to repair.

 

[NavyLCDR]

We sent a handgun in to the factory for repair through a major retail store here. At the time, my wife did not have any Washington Identification, but it was her handgun. The Washington dealer accepted the handgun for her for shipment to the factory. When it came back from the factory, they gave her her gun back. All without Washington ID, and this was a handgun. So how did that work?

 

[nalioth]

And there is a significant difference if the gun is left with the dealer to repair than if the gun is returned by the dealer to the factory to repair.

So Granny Fanny brings her S&W to the LGS and tenders it for repair, and the 'smith at the shop sees that it's something that S&W can fix better than he can, so he sends it off to S&W.

You're telling me that Granny Fanny has to fill out a 4473 to get her gun back, because the dealer saw fit to send it off for repair?

 

[dogtown tom]

nalioth Quote:

Originally Posted by dogtown tom
And there is a significant difference if the gun is left with the dealer to repair than if the gun is returned by the dealer to the factory to repair.

So Granny Fanny brings her S&W to the LGS and tenders it for repair, and the 'smith at the shop sees that it's something that S&W can fix better than he can, so he sends it off to S&W.

You're telling me that Granny Fanny has to fill out a 4473 to get her gun back, because the dealer saw fit to send it off for repair?

According to my IOI......yes. If the firearm was repaired by ME, no 4473. If I transferred it to someone else then YES.

Do not confuse the issue.......NONE, as in ZERO of my customers are bringing their firearms in for ME to repair....I'm not a gunsmith. They are simply using me to ship their gun back to the manufacturer because it costs them half as much as shipping common carrier. That is a big difference than if they brought it in for ME to repair and I choose to send it elsewhere for repair.

NavyLT We sent a handgun in to the factory for repair through a major retail store here. At the time, my wife did not have any Washington Identification, but it was her handgun. The Washington dealer accepted the handgun for her for shipment to the factory. When it came back from the factory, they gave her her gun back. All without Washington ID, and this was a handgun. So how did that work?

You'll need to ask that dealer...I wasn't there.