SHOOTING GALLERY needs a new "Hero!"
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Jeff:
The idea for "Zero to Hero" came from an offhand comment from a Special Ops trainer who said he could take any group of folks and make them into a team in 48 hours.
"Oh yeah?"
So . . . the idea was born. Try to remember that it's all just for fun, and no one claims that they can really train folks to special ops level in 48 hours. What comes out of it is a real appreciation for what SO folks do.
I think Michael had to use folks with some physical training because they really put them through the mill in the training.
I have not seen the show, but I got to see some of the video footage as they were editing it. It sure did look like fun. I've not seen anything like it.
Sure, it's Walter Mitty stuff, but if it is fun, and if it brings an appreciation of how difficult (and dangerous) this stuff is, what's the harm.
I found myself wanting to drop behind cover while watching the video!
I'll catch the show on Sunday night.
The idea for "Zero to Hero" came from an offhand comment from a Special Ops trainer who said he could take any group of folks and make them into a team in 48 hours.
"Oh yeah?"
So . . . the idea was born. Try to remember that it's all just for fun, and no one claims that they can really train folks to special ops level in 48 hours. What comes out of it is a real appreciation for what SO folks do.
I think Michael had to use folks with some physical training because they really put them through the mill in the training.
I have not seen the show, but I got to see some of the video footage as they were editing it. It sure did look like fun. I've not seen anything like it.
Sure, it's Walter Mitty stuff, but if it is fun, and if it brings an appreciation of how difficult (and dangerous) this stuff is, what's the harm.
I found myself wanting to drop behind cover while watching the video!
I'll catch the show on Sunday night.
Rob Pincus
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I haven't seen the show. I have met Mr. Bane.
I'll bet that it is going to be well received by the average person watching the show and would be entertaining in some form to most of our members.
I think we all know that it is not _real_ and therefore, to debate whether or not Denny Chalker could actually turn 4 physically fit individuals into a team of uber-commandos in two days is kinda silly.
The premise is interesting to me, if only because I know a lot of people _are_ very interested in finding out what "special operations" and "swat" guys do. If more people signed up for training experiences like this, they would probably have more respect for what a SWAT Cop goes through and have more realistic expectations of their performances and abilities (ie- not post with glee a link to every article pointing out everytime cops screw up). If the experience is handled correctly students would understand that everything is not as easy as Hollywood makes it look and things are usually not as cut & dry as the 10 O'clock newes makes it sound. I hope the show attempts to get that point across.
I'll bet that it is going to be well received by the average person watching the show and would be entertaining in some form to most of our members.
I think we all know that it is not _real_ and therefore, to debate whether or not Denny Chalker could actually turn 4 physically fit individuals into a team of uber-commandos in two days is kinda silly.
The premise is interesting to me, if only because I know a lot of people _are_ very interested in finding out what "special operations" and "swat" guys do. If more people signed up for training experiences like this, they would probably have more respect for what a SWAT Cop goes through and have more realistic expectations of their performances and abilities (ie- not post with glee a link to every article pointing out everytime cops screw up). If the experience is handled correctly students would understand that everything is not as easy as Hollywood makes it look and things are usually not as cut & dry as the 10 O'clock newes makes it sound. I hope the show attempts to get that point across.
Lagadelphia
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I'd give that a try. I'd be interested to see if I could do it.
Sven
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Michael:
Any plans to visit Northern California?
Or visit this thread again?
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Any plans to visit Northern California?
Or visit this thread again?
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The_Antibubba
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How about a celebrity version?
I've got the perfect team!!
Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein, and John F. Kerry!! I mean, these guys know everything anyway, and, if you think about it, they invented the "assault-style weapon". Train 'em with all the gear available to a modern Urban Assault Team, and tell them they will be responsible for capturing, in their final exam, a certified Gun Nut who bought all his Totally Unnecessary death gear at a Gun Show, unnoticed!!
Of course, like any good reality show, there needs to be a twist. So when they are ready to start their rescue, each is issued only the items allowed in their representative states!! Diane isn't allowed and AP or Tracer rounds-that's a Felony in California! Everyone gets Post-Ban Mags, no one can attach a bayonet, Ted Kennedy doesn't have any High-Powered Sniper Ammo, and anyone caught with Body Armor is thrown in Prison.
And because this is a reality show, ALL ROUNDS ARE LIVE.
I call it, "From Liberal To Lead-Filled"
I've got the perfect team!!
Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein, and John F. Kerry!! I mean, these guys know everything anyway, and, if you think about it, they invented the "assault-style weapon". Train 'em with all the gear available to a modern Urban Assault Team, and tell them they will be responsible for capturing, in their final exam, a certified Gun Nut who bought all his Totally Unnecessary death gear at a Gun Show, unnoticed!!
Of course, like any good reality show, there needs to be a twist. So when they are ready to start their rescue, each is issued only the items allowed in their representative states!! Diane isn't allowed and AP or Tracer rounds-that's a Felony in California! Everyone gets Post-Ban Mags, no one can attach a bayonet, Ted Kennedy doesn't have any High-Powered Sniper Ammo, and anyone caught with Body Armor is thrown in Prison.
And because this is a reality show, ALL ROUNDS ARE LIVE.
I call it, "From Liberal To Lead-Filled"
Myself, I think we should tear the show to shreds, really pick it apart. I mean, there's so many of these gun shows catering to non-hunters and sport shooters nowadays! It's not like we don't have 57 channels of shooting, right? Heck, I know for my part I'm sick to death of flipping on the TV and seeing AR's in action, IDPA & practical shooting matches.
I think it's important to make the creators of gun shows feel like their effort is completely wasted on back-seat shooters who derive no joy from programming aimed directly at them.
Good going, guys!
I think it's important to make the creators of gun shows feel like their effort is completely wasted on back-seat shooters who derive no joy from programming aimed directly at them.
Good going, guys!
After reading all of the previous posts I am rather amused that some of you find the premise of this show insulting. It is a TV show and nothing more, despite being termed a "reality"show. I don't subscribe to the logic used by some of the members responding to this post that the show cheapens what the the professionals train for.
If the average "Joes" come out on top in the exercise then the REAL SWAT/Miliitary guys should use it as a learning experience; maybe they would have screwed up royally, maybe not.
I'm sure that simulated combat scenarios can be very effective and very intense otherwise the military would not have been using simulations for as long as they have. I'll agree that mindset has lots to do with it who comes out on top, but not in favor of Professionals vs. Average saps. The guy who is more determined and uses all his means to overcome a situation will likely prevail regardless of lethal ammo or not.
Don't expect to be put on a pedestal being a soldier/cop, and if you're lucky you'll be able to retire in one piece. It's what you decided to do and if you're luckier you get a medal too.
If the average "Joes" come out on top in the exercise then the REAL SWAT/Miliitary guys should use it as a learning experience; maybe they would have screwed up royally, maybe not.
I'm sure that simulated combat scenarios can be very effective and very intense otherwise the military would not have been using simulations for as long as they have. I'll agree that mindset has lots to do with it who comes out on top, but not in favor of Professionals vs. Average saps. The guy who is more determined and uses all his means to overcome a situation will likely prevail regardless of lethal ammo or not.
Don't expect to be put on a pedestal being a soldier/cop, and if you're lucky you'll be able to retire in one piece. It's what you decided to do and if you're luckier you get a medal too.
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