Shooting Lead Indoors?

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YoPedro

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I've been loading for a short time now and so far I have restricted myself to using copper coated bullets. I am considering using Hornady lead bullets (.45 LSWC). Are there health concerns or is it ok to load and shoot lead bullets indoors?

Also, I've noticed that lead bullets tend to be .452 vs. .451 for copper coated. Why the difference?
 
Is everyone at the range going to shoot your ammo? If not, your efforts to not harm your health will be diluted by others on the range. I never did shoot lead indoors but, I stopped shooting indoors a few years ago after the Doc found elevated lead levels in my blood. Poor ventilation and not keeping the range clean are the biggest problems.
 
The only truly safe lead free bullet for use indoors is the TMJ (total metal jacket). The lands cut into the plated bullets, exposing lead. Hot gases escape past the exposed lead and vaporize it into the air, just as the hot gas vaporizes lead from the base of jacketed bullets with exposed lead.

You also must consider that target impact in non-TMJ bullets will atomize lead into the air.

In addition, some primer compounds contain a very small amount of lead, which can be a problem if ventilation is poor. Lead residue coats the ground around you as you shoot, and goes home with you on your clothes, even in well ventilated ranges.
 
A lot depends upon the amount of exposure. If you are at the range one time a week and shoot for an hour or so your exposure is much less than an employee that's working the range 40 hrs a week.

A lot of the air born lead is from the primers, a portion is from the bullet base that's vaporized by the burning powder. Only bulets with a fully encapsulated base will not produce lead this way.

Sometimes I think shooters blame airborn lead when they find that they have elevated levels in their blood but unless they are meticulous regarding their lead handling practices its easy to get lead into your system through ingestion. Touching food, drink containers, or cigarettes after handling lead bullets, or shooting at the range is a potentially greater source of lead than inhalation.

Taking food or drinks to the range is not a good idea. Even though I'm aware of the hazzard I have to admit I've occationally done so.
 
From what I've been told the lead stafnate in the primers is more of a hazard that the bullets.
 
Lead contamination /poisoning

Remember that lead can get into your blood stream via your lungs (breathing lead fumes, such as when casting, shooting inside in a not properly ventilated range). Through your skin pores when reloading cast bullets without latex gloves (the surgical type). ALWAYS wash your hands with cold water when you've manipulated lead with your bare hands when sorting casted projectiles or reloading them (the cold water doesn't open up the skin pores as much and reduces the risk of contamination). Lead in your system is eliminated V..E..R..Y.. slowly; it accumulates primarily in the brain and bones.
It can take up to 10 Years to eliminate only HALF of the accumulated lead in your body.

YOU CAN NEVER GET RID OF IT COMPLETELY
 
Quote: "Also, I've noticed that lead bullets tend to be .452 vs. .451 for copper coated. Why the difference?"

Pedro,
Hola, Pedro. Que tal? Con respecto a su pregunta:
Cast lead bullets for the .45 ACP cartridge can be in .451 or .452 diameter, with .452 being the most popular. Right now I have bullets in both diameters sitting on my reloading shelf and loaded ammo with both diameters also. I can't tell any difference in the accuracy or feeding with either diameter bullet in my four 1911 pistols (3 Wilsons, 1 Kimber). I used to size my cast bullets to .4515 when using SAECO Lubrisizer.

Hasta luego, amigo.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB
 
Hummm...seems to be a lot of problems with indoor ranges. I've never shot in one for a different reason. I don't like being inclosed with people that have guns and nowhere to run if one goes umuck. And it seems to happen with indoor ranges more then it does with outdoor ranges. Must be the stress on city folk...:) I spent three years as a range master on an outdoor range. Meanwhile two people went umuck at the indoor range down town at two different times in one year...You guys can keep the air borne lead inside...
 
There are many myths concerning lead contamination going around the internet. Some of it is spread as gospel, but has no basis in fact or science.

First, the truths:

1. Lead dust and airborne lead can be inhaled through the lungs.

2. Lead can be ingested, either by directly ingesting or by contamination of food, drink or cigarettes by touching with your hands, with lead contamination on them. It can also be done by putting your fingers in your mouth, or your nose, before washing them, after contamination.

3. Dissolved lead can be absorbed through the skin, such as from leaded gasoline. The emphasis here is "dissolved" lead, not solid lead.

4. Breathing fumes from bullet casting can contaminate your lungs, if not ventilated properly, which means a draft from behind you, blowing the fumes away from you.

Now the myths:

1. Lead can be absorbed through the skin in solid form, such as handling bullets, primers or fired cases. (see #2 above)

2. You must wash your hands with cold water so you don't open the pores. (Solid lead can't be absorbed through the skin. The molecules are too large.)

3. You must use latex gloves to handle any lead. (Once again, lead isn't absorbed through the skin.)

4. You must wear a surgical mask whenever loading ammunition. (Not true.)

The four myths above are the most repeated, and are all false.

There is some good reading material available from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) on both indoor and outdoor shooting ranges and the environmental aspects of lead on both. A lot of the material was written by Rick Patterson, in conjunction with Ed Guster III, of EPA. Both gentlemen are experts in the field of lead and shooting ranges and I've had the pleasure of meeting them both and having several conversations with them on this subject. I also have their books, which can be obtained at www.rangeinfo.org. I would suggest to anyone sincerely interested in this subject to contact NSSF and get the proper information.

As far as lead contamination on indoor ranges, it does occur. It's usually due to improper maintenance of the facility and improper ventilation. An indoor range should never be swept with a broom. It has to either be wet mopped or vacuumed using a HEPA vacuum. There shouldn't be any carpets or other cloth material on the shooting benches. The benches must be mopped down regularly and the water disposed of properly. The ventilation has to be in the correct volume and has to come from behind the shooter, blowing the contaminants away from the shooting positions.

Another area that is sometimes neglected on indoor ranges is the accumulation of unburned gunpowder on the floor and in cracks, directly in front of the shooting positions. Anyone who has spent time on the firing line knows that there is unburned powder left behind. When this isn't removed in an indoor range, there is the distinct possibility that it can be ignited. In 2005, there were three indoor range fires in Germany, with the loss of several lives, caused by the accumulated gunpowder igniting all at once. Most shooting in Germany is done on indoor ranges, so they get a lot of use.

The bottom line is, during shooting, don't eat, drink or smoke. Don't put your fingers in your mouth or nose. Wash your hands after shooting.

When handling lead of any type, the same applies. Don't eat, drink or smoke. Don't put your fingers in your mouth or nose. Wash your hands after handling lead.

When casting bullets, do it outside or in the entrance to the building or garage. Have a fan blowing from an angle behind you to blow the fumes out and away from you. Wash your hands after handling lead.

If you do these things, you will eliminate the biggest causes of lead contamination. It's not necessary to wear rubber gloves when loading, or a dust mask when loading, unless these things are needed to remind you to keep your hands out of your mouth and nose.

Above all, educate yourself and don't pass along myths without knowing the facts.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Wow!

I certainly feel a lot more confident about loading and shooting lead bullets. I appreciate the facts vs. the myths, facts are always more comforting.

The size difference seems to not be a factor either.

Thanks for the all the info guys.
 
I do not shoot indoors....

in the past when I did, I wore a respriator. Other shooters looked at me funny until I told them to blow their nose after shooting. The next week, they all has masks......chris3
 
Good post Fred, true on all accounts!

The only truly safe lead free bullet for use indoors is the TMJ (total metal jacket). The lands cut into the plated bullets, exposing lead. Hot gases escape past the exposed lead and vaporize it into the air, just as the hot gas vaporizes lead from the base of jacketed bullets with exposed lead.

The Speer TMJ IS a plated bullet! The only plated bullet I know of that has plating under .004,(the depth of most cut rifling), is the Ranier's. Berrys and x-treme bullets all have plating that is at least .005 or better.

You also must consider that target impact in non-TMJ bullets will atomize lead into the air.

Baffles used in indoor ranges are steel, set at an angle to deflect the bullets into a trap. ANY bullet, regardless of type, will have a lot of it's lead atomized when it hits the baffles. That's where the ventilation comes into play, to keep the suspended particles from getting into the faces of the shooters.

Definetly give your nose a good honk before leaving the range. The hairs in your nose, coated with mucous, are a great filter. But like all filters, needs cleaning. If you notice a sweet taste in your mouth, then you've been exposed to too much lead. Clothes you wore to the range are also contaminated. To be safe, they should be washed sperately from your families laundry.
 
Pedro,
In my experience, you should ALWAYS clean the barrel thoroughly before switching from jacketed to cast lead bullets or vice versa. Failure to do so can lead to bad leading in barrel and/or other unpleasant side effects. I do NOT subscribe to the theory of shooting jacketed bullets to clean the lead from barrel after firing lead bullets!!!!

Good shooting and be safe.
LB
 
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