SHOOTING WITH CHEAT MODE ENABLED – A LOOK AT A NEW “CZ RIFLE” IN THE HOUSE

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So recognizing that you have a problem is the first step. When your wife tells you to get into some cheaper hobbies, like heroin, you might have a problem. Ignoring the problem and soldiering on is the next step. DON’T JUDGE ME!!! Look I have never made any bones about my financial sense falling somewhere between NFL college draft pick and congress, so basically I am fully aware that I have a weakness for toys. I have also been VERY blessed in my life and I am EXTREMELY thankful to have been able to pursue my penchant for shiny things. Alas heroin holds no allure for me as I am trigger puller at heart and bang sticks are my drug of choice. Sorry honey.

I am what you would call a shooters shooter. If it has a trigger and expels a projectile while leaving me with all my fingers and eyes intact I like it. Rimfires, air guns, handguns, beltfeds, rifles, revolvers, Nerf guns and spitballs if necessary. I like my kinetic projectile relocating devices. Well due to the current ongoing unpleasantness my fix as of late has shifted more towards my air gun passion and what am I to do with the gun budget these days you ask? NO HONEY I WILL NOT TRY HEROIN I KNOW IT’S A CHEAPER HOBBY……where was I oh yeah what frivolous expensive toy should I shift my gun budget to. Well I picked up a little CZ rifle so to speak.

I have hemmed and hawed for many, many years about getting a pre charged pneumatic (PCP) air rifle. I have shot them but the thought of the limited shot count, arduous and or expensive nature of keeping them filled and a combination of the sheer pleasure I get from spring guns and the lack of practical experience with PCPs have kept me away until now. I figured now was the perfect time to experiment with PCP ownership. I had several requirements as I began my search.

1-I wanted a known quantity. I didn’t want the latest and greatest I wanted something with a little history.
2-I wanted fairly low power and .177 caliber. Unlike many PCP owners I am NOT looking for large caliber high powered guns. I have real guns for those needs. I wanted a target rifle.
3-I wanted a fairly high shot count. I wanted a minimum of 50 shots per fill.
4-I wanted a fairly quiet rifle. I didn’t want .22LR decibels or the need to suppres……errr collect lead dust.
5-I didn’t want to break the bank. PCP guns require both the rifle and ancillary gear to keep them charged. For the initial investment that can get expensive. I put around and $800ish cap on what I wanted to do.
6-I wanted open sights or at least the ability to run them.

So with all that in mind I ended up picking up a new Air Arms S200t rifle. You can clearly see the Air Arms pedigree from the box it came in……..:D
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Seriously though, the rifle is made for Air Arms by CZ. The T designation is for the lower powered target model. The target model is designed around .177 pellets moving at around 550 fps, so no powerhouse of course but I didn’t want or need POWWWAAAA!!!. So let’s get on to my observations, shall we? I know it’s long winded…………I’m not making you stay, besides you’re probably bored anyway. :p

VALUE – 5
The S200 series of guns does, IMO, represent a good value in the PCP market. At $499, for my example, you get a gun that has been around for a long time, with a very positive history, a removable/replaceable air reservoir, decent iron sights and reputation for accuracy and durability. CZ makes good products. They always have. Now this is NOT the air rifle for everybody as it is a fairly small gun and is absolutely low powered but all in all if it is something that would fit your needs I feel like it offers a fairly good return on your dollar.

FIT/FINISH/MATERIALS – 2
I know this seems like a harsh rating. Let me explain. The fit and finish on my rifle is very good. External bluing is even, the beech stock has a nice grain to it, the air cylinder is very nicely done and the brass ends/gauge look sharp in my opinion. Where things start to fall down is in the use of all the plastic. The front sight is plastic, the bolt handle is plastic, the barrel band is plastic, the trigger is plastic etc. Now I knew all of this going in, so none of this was a surprise and none of the plastic feels CHEAP with the exception of the bolt handle. Metal replacements are available and I will probably replace mine. It works perfectly fine it’s really more of a tactile thing for me. The point is this was THE entry PCP rifle with any level of quality for a long time and to get there you have cut corners somewhere. I say this not in disappointment but as a data point for anybody else looking at this rifle.

TRIGGER -3
The trigger is a plastic part but in my opinion feels pretty good. Some folks don’t like the wider profile at the top that narrows as it goes down but it doesn’t bother me a bit. I tend to rate trigger pulls as they come out of the box. The CZ trigger is adjustable but I am only going to speak for it’s out of the box performance for me. It is a two stage affair with a light, but a bit creepy take up. The break is a little on the heavy side but mine breaks very cleanly when it does. All in all I haven’t felt like the trigger is a hindrance in any way to my shooting. It’s middle of the road decent trigger. It is, however, not in the same league as the Rekord or even a good T06.
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ACCURACY -5
Welcome to shooting with cheat mode enabled. There is no pomp and circumstance, no recoil of course, very little noise and pellets are magically sent through the same hole with aplomb at 20 yards. The gun is really meant for a 10m setup but I tend to shoot around 20 yards and it’s probably the easiet gun of any type I have ever shot. It’s like having an aimbot built in to your shooting. 10 shot groups such as the following are simple affairs after sighting in. Keep in mind I am shooting with iron sights and I am FAR from a skilled shooter. If you have accuracy issues with this rifle, and remember it’s your real friends who tell you the truth, its you man…..all you.
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ERGONOMICS -5
I was a little worried about the length of pull on this rifle but my fears were unfounded. This is such a wonderful feeling, super light weight, pointable, little rifle. There is no external safety to mess with, the trigger comes to finger easily, the sights come to eye easily and the cheek piece feels good. It’s just a magnificent little rifle in hand. Think PCP HW30,with a little more length of pull. I have no complaints about how this rifle shoulders or rests.

RECOIL/SHOT CYCLE -5 (5 BEING THE MOST MILD)
It’s a pre charged, low power, .177 air rifle. There a Pffft and a hole magically appears in your target. I don’t know what else there is to say. One could say it’s almost “digital” shooting.

POWER-1 (WITH 5 BEING THE MOST POWERFUL)
This is a low powered target rifle. No more no less. Now giving it a 1 is not a negative unless you are looking for a powerful rifle. I, myself, was not. I specifically wanted a low powered 10-40 yard target gun and that is exactly what this is.

SIGHTS -4
The iron sights included with the rifle are excellent in use and easily give me scoped capability at the 20 yards or so I generally shoot at. My only complaint about them is the fact that the front sight is plastic. There are several front sight inserts to tailor your gun to your needs. If I had any complaints other than the plastic front sight it would be that I would have like to have seen a blade sight drop in or two included.
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SHOTS PER FILL – 5
For my uses the shots per fill have exceeded my expectations. I can easily get 80 shots and likely up to hundred or more. The VAST majority of my shooting sessions with a single gun top out at 50 shots so considering the size of the reservoir and fairly low charge pressure of 170-190 bar I am thrilled with the shots per fill. This was one of my PCP fears and at least in this case was unfounded.

RANDOM OBSERVATIONS
-I went into this experiment planning to charge with a hand pump, see if I liked it well enough and figured If I did I would pick up a compressor. After charging the cylinder a few times now with the hand pump I doubt I will go compressor. Charging the tube to 170-190 bar is almost trivial. Now keep in mind I did purchase a higher end pump, a HILL MK5, so that may be part of the equation at play.
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-PCP’s have a high barrier to entry due to the need for an external set of equipment to charge them. That could be anywhere from $150 to $1000 on top of your gun investment. That said once you buy that equipment future PCP purchases should be easier. Also if you are charging a fairly small air reservoir give the pump a shot, you may be surprised at how easy it is. I cannot speak to large bottle type rifles but could see how those would get tedious and I would likely gravitate towards a bottle or compressor.

-There is a nice marked mounting point under the stock of the S200t for mounting match weights or bi pods etc. Nice touch.

-The S200t is a single shot rifle out of the box but a magazine fed conversion is available.

-I like the stock grain that came on my particular rifle and I like the stippling on the pistol grip portion. The pistol grip fits me well.
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-Setting up the pump/compressor/bottle fittings the first time can be a little bit of trial an error. If you are not mechanically inclined I would probably talk to somebody at your vendor and ask about the proper setup. I happen to be a lucky idjit who happens into getting things right time to time. :D

PARTING THOUGHTS
So all in all my first foray into the world of pre charged pneumatic air guns has been overwhelmingly positive and I was pleasantly surprised to see that some of my fears, at least for this particular gun, were unfounded. That said pneumatic air guns of all kinds are basically like shooting with cheat mode enabled and while that can certainly be fun and there is certainly a place for it, I myself take a certain level of pride, satisfaction and joy shooting a nice spring rifle with the recoil characteristics of a trebuchet. I doubt PCP guns will woo me away from the springers but they have proven they have place in my collection and shooting and sometimes after a hard day, an easy button isn’t the worst kind of therapy.

As always take care and shoot safe.
Chris
 
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Very nice writeup with honest useful information for anyone trying a PCP for the first time. I am also a springer guy at heart and haven't yet succumbed to the temptation. I don't think I ever will. I am also, at my age, a low to moderate powered target shooter. My current favorites being a Hector Medina tuned Diana 280 and a factory stock HW30S.

But thank you for a very objective writeup of your entry into the "dark side". May the force be with you.
 
Very nice writeup with honest useful information for anyone trying a PCP for the first time. I am also a springer guy at heart and haven't yet succumbed to the temptation. I don't think I ever will. I am also, at my age, a low to moderate powered target shooter. My current favorites being a Hector Medina tuned Diana 280 and a factory stock HW30S.

But thank you for a very objective writeup of your entry into the "dark side". May the force be with you.

Honestly besides it being cathartic for me, that is why I do these write ups. I am not looking to “sell things” I just try to provide more real world info/data points of the type that I would be interested in to help others if they are looking at a particular product.

Like you I really like spring guns. After a few days with this I absolutely like it. It, will however, not likely spawn a desire to grab several other PCP guns and it has nothing to do with the filling or typical reasons folks shy away from them For me it’s just like most other PCP’s or any pneumatic type guns.......it’s TOO EASY. I mean I totally dig it when I want that and this gun has found a permanent place with me and is getting a few upgrades but at the end of the day I like recoil. I mean I like ANYTHING with a trigger but I like a little recoil and art to my shooting as well. I can, however, see how folks go nuts for PCP platforms as making easy hit after hit is intoxicating I can also see how real 10m competition went wholesale to these because they are just night and day better tools for that job and those folks have CRAZY SKILLS to be able to eke out the crazy performance from these types of guns.
 
Here is an interesting side by side. I shot the S200T back to back with the Air Arms TX200. Now I realize the TX is in a totally different power class but I still find the results interesting.

The TX has a far better trigger and a scope yet the S200T, with the exception of the single shot a little high and left, out shot the TX and did it with almost no shooter effort. The TX turned in a very good group, at least for me, but required far more shooter interaction. The TX pops and feels/moves like a rifle going off the S200T more like medical instrument if you will. I said it before but the best analogy I can give is the difference is basically analog shooting vs. digital shooting. Overall I think I am more of an analog kind of guy but damn that little S200 is fun to put round after round after round down range magically with ease.

Just a little apples to oranges comparison. Again YMMV. I have quite a bit of knowledge and practical experience with firearms, airguns etc. but my skills with them all are passable at best so keep in my I am trying to look at the guns themselves not the idjit behind the trigger.

I start with the S200T and turn in a pretty solid 10 shot group at 20 yards with one itty bitty shot pulled up and left. FANTASTIC for me and irons. These kinds of groups are fairly easy to accomplish with this gun with not a ton of work by the shooter. Basically press and relocate pellet. "Digital Shooting" if you will.
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I then shot a 10 shot string with the AA TX200. Scoped, much better trigger and I turned in a very good group for me but the difference being there was far more shooter involvement needed. The gun has more noise, much more movement, and requires far more involvement and understanding of the guns quirks and nuances from the shooter. "Analog Shooting" if you will.
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They are both FANTASTIC shooting experiences but couldn't be further from each other in practice. I think, at heart, I am more of an analog shooter as I enjoy the mechanics, the quirks, the nuances if you will. That said sitting down with this S200T is a little bit of a giggle riot as its just like magic. It WILL make any shooter far better and it will put a smile on your face. Conversely the TX will put a level of satisfaction in your soul when you accomplish a beautiful group.
 
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So recognizing that you have a problem is the first step. When your wife tells you to get into some cheaper hobbies, like heroin, you might have a problem. Ignoring the problem and soldiering on is the next step. DON’T JUDGE ME!!! Look I have never made any bones about my financial sense falling somewhere between NFL college draft pick and congress, so basically I am fully aware that I have a weakness for toys. I have also been VERY blessed in my life and I am EXTREMELY thankful to have been able to pursue my penchant for shiny things. Alas heroin holds no allure for me as I am trigger puller at heart and bang sticks are my drug of choice. Sorry honey.

I am what you would call a shooters shooter. If it has a trigger and expels a projectile while leaving me with all my fingers and eyes intact I like it. Rimfires, air guns, handguns, beltfeds, rifles, revolvers, Nerf guns and spitballs if necessary. I like my kinetic projectile relocating devices. Well due to the current ongoing unpleasantness my fix as of late has shifted more towards my air gun passion and what am I to do with the gun budget these days you ask? NO HONEY I WILL NOT TRY HEROIN I KNOW IT’S A CHEAPER HOBBY……where was I oh yeah what frivolous expensive toy should I shift my gun budget to. Well I picked up a little CZ rifle so to speak.

I have hemmed and hawed for many, many years about getting a pre charged pneumatic (PCP) air rifle. I have shot them but the thought of the limited shot count, arduous and or expensive nature of keeping them filled and a combination of the sheer pleasure I get from spring guns and the lack of practical experience with PCPs have kept me away until now. I figured now was the perfect time to experiment with PCP ownership. I had several requirements as I began my search.

1-I wanted a known quantity. I didn’t want the latest and greatest I wanted something with a little history.
2-I wanted fairly low power and .177 caliber. Unlike many PCP owners I am NOT looking for large caliber high powered guns. I have real guns for those needs. I wanted a target rifle.
3-I wanted a fairly high shot count. I wanted a minimum of 50 shots per fill.
4-I wanted a fairly quiet rifle. I didn’t want .22LR decibels or the need to suppres……errr collect lead dust.
5-I didn’t want to break the bank. PCP guns require both the rifle and ancillary gear to keep them charged. For the initial investment that can get expensive. I put around and $800ish cap on what I wanted to do.
6-I wanted open sights or at least the ability to run them.

So with all that in mind I ended up picking up a new Air Arms S200t rifle. You can clearly see the Air Arms pedigree from the box it came in……..:D
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Seriously though, the rifle is made for Air Arms by CZ. The T designation is for the lower powered target model. The target model is designed around .177 pellets moving at around 550 fps, so no powerhouse of course but I didn’t want or need POWWWAAAA!!!. So let’s get on to my observations, shall we? I know it’s long winded…………I’m not making you stay, besides you’re probably bored anyway. :p

VALUE – 5
The S200 series of guns does, IMO, represent a good value in the PCP market. At $499, for my example, you get a gun that has been around for a long time, with a very positive history, a removable/replaceable air reservoir, decent iron sights and reputation for accuracy and durability. CZ makes good products. They always have. Now this is NOT the air rifle for everybody as it is a fairly small gun and is absolutely low powered but all in all if it is something that would fit your needs I feel like it offers a fairly good return on your dollar.

FIT/FINISH/MATERIALS – 2
I know this seems like a harsh rating. Let me explain. The fit and finish on my rifle is very good. External bluing is even, the beech stock has a nice grain to it, the air cylinder is very nicely done and the brass ends/gauge look sharp in my opinion. Where things start to fall down is in the use of all the plastic. The front sight is plastic, the bolt handle is plastic, the barrel band is plastic, the trigger is plastic etc. Now I knew all of this going in, so none of this was a surprise and none of the plastic feels CHEAP with the exception of the bolt handle. Metal replacements are available and I will probably replace mine. It works perfectly fine it’s really more of a tactile thing for me. The point is this was THE entry PCP rifle with any level of quality for a long time and to get there you have cut corners somewhere. I say this not in disappointment but as a data point for anybody else looking at this rifle.

TRIGGER -3
The trigger is a plastic part but in my opinion feels pretty good. Some folks don’t like the wider profile at the top that narrows as it goes down but it doesn’t bother me a bit. I tend to rate trigger pulls as they come out of the box. The CZ trigger is adjustable but I am only going to speak for it’s out of the box performance for me. It is a two stage affair with a light, but a bit creepy take up. The break is a little on the heavy side but mine breaks very cleanly when it does. All in all I haven’t felt like the trigger is a hindrance in any way to my shooting. It’s middle of the road decent trigger. It is, however, not in the same league as the Rekord or even a good T06.
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ACCURACY -5
Welcome to shooting with cheat mode enabled. There is no pomp and circumstance, no recoil of course, very little noise and pellets are magically sent through the same hole with aplomb at 20 yards. The gun is really meant for a 10m setup but I tend to shoot around 20 yards and it’s probably the easiet gun of any type I have ever shot. It’s like having an aimbot built in to your shooting. 10 shot groups such as the following are simple affairs after sighting in. Keep in mind I am shooting with iron sights and I am FAR from a skilled shooter. If you have accuracy issues with this rifle, and remember it’s your real friends who tell you the truth, its you man…..all you.
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ERGONOMICS -5
I was a little worried about the length of pull on this rifle but my fears were unfounded. This is such a wonderful feeling, super light weight, pointable, little rifle. There is no external safety to mess with, the trigger comes to finger easily, the sights come to eye easily and the cheek piece feels good. It’s just a magnificent little rifle in hand. Think PCP HW30,with a little more length of pull. I have no complaints about how this rifle shoulders or rests.

RECOIL/SHOT CYCLE -5 (5 BEING THE MOST MILD)
It’s a pre charged, low power, .177 air rifle. There a Pffft and a hole magically appears in your target. I don’t know what else there is to say. One could say it’s almost “digital” shooting.

POWER-1 (WITH 5 BEING THE MOST POWERFUL)
This is a low powered target rifle. No more no less. Now giving it a 1 is not a negative unless you are looking for a powerful rifle. I, myself, was not. I specifically wanted a low powered 10-40 yard target gun and that is exactly what this is.

SIGHTS -4
The iron sights included with the rifle are excellent in use and easily give me scoped capability at the 20 yards or so I generally shoot at. My only complaint about them is the fact that the front sight is plastic. There are several front sight inserts to tailor your gun to your needs. If I had any complaints other than the plastic front sight it would be that I would have like to have seen a blade sight drop in or two included.
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SHOTS PER FILL – 5
For my uses the shots per fill have exceeded my expectations. I can easily get 80 shots and likely up to hundred or more. The VAST majority of my shooting sessions with a single gun top out at 50 shots so considering the size of the reservoir and fairly low charge pressure of 170-190 bar I am thrilled with the shots per fill. This was one of my PCP fears and at least in this case was unfounded.

RANDOM OBSERVATIONS
-I went into this experiment planning to charge with a hand pump, see if I liked it well enough and figured If I did I would pick up a compressor. After charging the cylinder a few times now with the hand pump I doubt I will go compressor. Charging the tube to 170-190 bar is almost trivial. Now keep in mind I did purchase a higher end pump, a HILL MK5, so that may be part of the equation at play.
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-PCP’s have a high barrier to entry due to the need for an external set of equipment to charge them. That could be anywhere from $150 to $1000 on top of your gun investment. That said once you buy that equipment future PCP purchases should be easier. Also if you are charging a fairly small air reservoir give the pump a shot, you may be surprised at how easy it is. I cannot speak to large bottle type rifles but could see how those would get tedious and I would likely gravitate towards a bottle or compressor.

-There is a nice marked mounting point under the stock of the S200t for mounting match weights or bi pods etc. Nice touch.

-The S200t is a single shot rifle out of the box but a magazine fed conversion is available.

-I like the stock grain that came on my particular rifle and I like the stippling on the pistol grip portion. The pistol grip fits me well.
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-Setting up the pump/compressor/bottle fittings the first time can be a little bit of trial an error. If you are not mechanically inclined I would probably talk to somebody at your vendor and ask about the proper setup. I happen to be a lucky idjit who happens into getting things right time to time. :D

PARTING THOUGHTS
So all in all my first foray into the world of pre charged pneumatic air guns has been overwhelmingly positive and I was pleasantly surprised to see that some of my fears, at least for this particular gun, were unfounded. That said pneumatic air guns of all kinds are basically like shooting with cheat mode enabled and while that can certainly be fun and there is certainly a place for it, I myself take a certain level of pride, satisfaction and joy shooting a nice spring rifle with the recoil characteristics of a trebuchet. I doubt PCP guns will woo me away from the springers but they have proven they have place in my collection and shooting and sometimes after a hard day, an easy button isn’t the worst kind of therapy.

As always take care and shoot safe.
Chris
Two questions:

Are higher-power PCP guns in the same price range usually less accurate?

Why should I get a low power PCP instead of a CO2?
 
Two questions:

Are higher-power PCP guns in the same price range usually less accurate?

Why should I get a low power PCP instead of a CO2?

There are better folks then I to ask specific PCP questions as I don’t have a ton of experience with them and have only owned this one. I will say that assuming they puff out a consistent amount of air per shot and have a good barrel and to a lesser extent trigger there is not much to detract from accuracy besides choice of ammo. There is no vibration, no movement, no recoil etc. as long as a shooter has the most basic fundamentals they are extremely easy to shoot well. I don’t have experience with the big bore ones though so slinging a larger mass may give a bit of recoil.

Like anything I would research the specific gun you are looking at. I WANTED low power as for my air gun shooting needs 500-900ish FPS is a sweet spot for me.

Now C02, in my opinion, the guns are not made as well and you are at the mercy of temperature. Too cold they have no power. Too hot they have too much power. Shoot too fast they get too cold and lose power etc. etc. none of this is good for consistency. The PCP as long as you aren’t running out of gas you are going to get fairly consistent shots. Also the PCP give you the option to refill vs buying C02 carts etc.

IMO out of all the “air” type arms C02 is gonna be the worst for actual shooting but can provide for the best replicas and draw and shoot type “firearm” practice. For me though I really don’t care for C02.
 
I think, at heart, I am more of an analog shooter as I enjoy the mechanics, the quirks, the nuances if you will.

I have to agree with you there. But I have never found the moderate to low powered springer to be as much of a challenge as many make them out to be. I believe the negative reputation of springers comes from those who crave power and then discover that you pay a price for it and maybe didn't need it anyway.

The closest I ever came to getting sucked into the dark side was with the Diana Stormrider package on Pyramidair. For me the big negative was the pump work as many others have said. And I don't have the budget for a compressor and associated hardware.
 
I have to agree with you there. But I have never found the moderate to low powered springer to be as much of a challenge as many make them out to be. I believe the negative reputation of springers comes from those who crave power and then discover that you pay a price for it and maybe didn't need it anyway.

The closest I ever came to getting sucked into the dark side was with the Diana Stormrider package on Pyramidair. For me the big negative was the pump work as many others have said. And I don't have the budget for a compressor and associated hardware.


I don’t disagree with you, especially with decent quality springers.

That said even the HW30 has recoil and is far different to shoot vs a pre charged or other pneumatic gun. That said the HW30 is damn near my favorite RIFLE period.
 
I went into this experiment planning to charge with a hand pump, see if I liked it well enough and figured If I did I would pick up a compressor. After charging the cylinder a few times now with the hand pump I doubt I will go compressor.

As you already have the pump, I throw this contraption I made out there. It would only be worth it if you got a cheap gear motor off eBay like I did but this works well.



And I have found this to be a great resource to locate places that can refill SCBA tanks to 4500 psi.

http://www.warpig.com/forums/fields/index.shtml
 
Very nice write up.

Can you comment on the noise level? How does it compare to the HW30?

From my (very) limited understanding of PCPs, apparently some are much more “pump friendly” than others, and that one should be aware of this when choosing if they want to avoid SCUBA tanks, compressors, etc. it sounds like yours is an especially good candidate for hand pumping. Did you figure that out pre-purchase?
 
Very nice write up.

Can you comment on the noise level? How does it compare to the HW30?

From my (very) limited understanding of PCPs, apparently some are much more “pump friendly” than others, and that one should be aware of this when choosing if they want to avoid SCUBA tanks, compressors, etc. it sounds like yours is an especially good candidate for hand pumping. Did you figure that out pre-purchase?

Super quiet. Probably similar in actual muzzle report but much quieter overall because of the lack of mechanical noise. Very indoor / back yard friendly. Honestly it’s sounds very similar to a HW40/Beeman P3/P17/ or HW75 pistol.

Based on my experience hand pumping this gun, pumping this or similar sized tanks to 200 or 210 bar wouldn’t be crazy difficult. This maxes at 190 and at 170 you will easily see 80-90 or so shots.

After my experience with this I look at the Crosman Challenger PCP and there others with the 2000 PSI charge and it’s 2000 PSI pressure would be downright comically easy would be my guess.
 
sounds like yours is an especially good candidate for hand pumping. Did you figure that out pre-purchase?

Yes and no. I went into this with certain criteria, one being more target gun so low velocity and quiet and likely higher shot count and a smaller removable reservoir. I had no point of ref. as far as what efforts would be required hand pumping.

I will say if you own several guns or a “bottle” type gun pumping would probably get old. If you are only shooting one gun with a fairly small cylinder type reservoir pumping is fairly trivial at least up to 200 or so bar in my opinion.
 
Super quiet.
After my experience with this I look at the Crosman Challenger PCP and there others with the 2000 PSI charge and it’s 2000 PSI pressure would be downright comically easy would be my guess.

Good news on the quiet. I can't tell if your rifle has a built in suppressor or if that bulge is just decoration; if the latter, I assume the low report is because of the relatively low muzzle velocity. I've seen pics of after market suppressors added to rifles and that seems to make a package that is just too long and unwieldy for my taste.

That Challenger is an intriguing rifle. Light weight, good aperture sights, and it sounds very pump-friendly -- similar to your CZ.

Yes and no. I went into this with certain criteria, one being more target gun so low velocity and quiet and likely higher shot count and a smaller removable reservoir. I had no point of ref. as far as what efforts would be required hand pumping.

I will say if you own several guns or a “bottle” type gun pumping would probably get old. If you are only shooting one gun with a fairly small cylinder type reservoir pumping is fairly trivial at least up to 200 or so bar in my opinion.

Yes I agree the key factor is the end use. Since I only shoot at inanimate objects and value quiet, simplicity, and high shot count it's pretty clear which direction I would lean if I went the PCP route.
 
Good news on the quiet. I can't tell if your rifle has a built in suppressor or if that bulge is just decoration; if the latter, I assume the low report is because of the relatively low muzzle velocity. I've seen pics of after market suppressors added to rifles and that seems to make a package that is just too long and unwieldy for my taste.

That Challenger is an intriguing rifle. Light weight, good aperture sights, and it sounds very pump-friendly -- similar to your CZ.



Yes I agree the key factor is the end use. Since I only shoot at inanimate objects and value quiet, simplicity, and high shot count it's pretty clear which direction I would lean if I went the PCP route.


The biggest problem researching this or finding what you or I want is that most of the PCP market seems to want high velocity/big caliber leaving the target level stuff as TRULY 10m competition stuff that is insanely accurate but insanely expensive.

Me, being a gun guy, if I want power or caliber I will use......you know actual guns. :).

I know a fair bit about air guns as I have enjoyed them as an ancillary shooting hobby for a very long time but the bulk of my knowledge and passion is spring guns.

That said I have found that there are many PCPs that are quiet enough because they are internally shrouded(suppressed) even if it they have a bit of velocity behind them.

All that said in my research for ME I found a few rifles that fit most or all of my needs
AA S200T or other CZ S200t variants
AA S400 MPR
AirForce Edge
Crosman Challenger.

All will give you easy pumping IMO, a low report, high enough shot count, accuracy and not completely break the bank. While still offering a bit of real world history of use and durability.

I am sure there are other options but those are what hit my radar.

Take care, shoot safe
Chris
 
Thanks, Chris! That is a nice list to have.

I've also heard that the Benjamin Marauder is pretty quiet in stock form, it is reasonably priced, and it's possible to add a custom laminate stock from Boyd's for not a huge outlay of cash. I'm not sure about the pumping part, however.
 
Thanks, Chris! That is a nice list to have.

I've also heard that the Benjamin Marauder is pretty quiet in stock form, it is reasonably priced, and it's possible to add a custom laminate stock from Boyd's for not a huge outlay of cash. I'm not sure about the pumping part, however.

I don’t have shooting experience with the Marauder. Hell I’ve never actually seen one. That said folks seem to love them and there is a big aftermarket for them.
 
I have recently been exploring the idea of a PCP rifle.
I had looked at several that peaked my interests but have been hesitant due to the prices and just not knowing if PCP is really for me.
So with that in mind, I started looking at entry level rifles. I did not have high expectations but just thought I might try the low end, just to get a feel for what PCP is really about.

What I settled on was the Umarex Origin. It's a very basic side lever action .22 with ten shot rotary magazines. The plus was that it comes with everything you need to get started except for sights. For that it has a combination rail that accepts weaver mounts or Picatinny type mounts. The package even comes with a decent hand pump. The build quality of the gun seems surprising good for an entry level air rifle cost me a little less than $350

I picked mine up two weeks ago, but have done little with it because I am in my busy season and have been on the road.
I did unpack it, assembled the pump and charged the rifle. It took 120 strokes from 0 to 3500psi. The last 20 or 30 strokes take some real effort, but still quite doable for an old fat man like myself. One of the reasons I did go ahead and pump it up was just to see how well it holds a charge and the good news is that it has not lost any pressure in a week of sitting on the table in the back room of my RV.
I have not mounted an optic yet. I have a few options sitting on the shelf in my gun room, so I will mount one of them when I get home in a few weeks. Then I'll give the gun a real shakedown and report back here on its performance.

I live in a semi rural setting and firearms are not prohibited, but that does not mean that I want to be that bad neighbor that disturbs the peace when I want to do some AM target shooting so I am hoping that this will keep me shooting without falling out of the good graces lf my neighbors.
 
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