rodregier
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Admitting to committing an ITAR violation on a public form isn't a particularly wonderful idea.
Admitting to committing an ITAR violation on a public form isn't a particularly wonderful idea.
Shopping in US, taking it home to Norway.
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rodregier
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BTW, ITAR is about permanent export, not about US-owned items transported by US citizens to most foreign countries who subsequently return with same.
Recording them on CBP form 4457 while in the US will facilitate their passage back into the US on return. You keep the form and present it on return.
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/417/kw/registering%20items%20with%20customs/session/L3RpbWUvMTQyMDg0NjE0OS9zaWQvbEZuaUIyY20%3D/suggested/1
Recording them on CBP form 4457 while in the US will facilitate their passage back into the US on return. You keep the form and present it on return.
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/417/kw/registering%20items%20with%20customs/session/L3RpbWUvMTQyMDg0NjE0OS9zaWQvbEZuaUIyY20%3D/suggested/1
Butting in on the discussion, what would you be better off if you mail the parts -- excluding the barrel/receiver/etc -- instead either to yourself or a friend there? Like, to use an example, shoving the folding buttstock mentioned before in a priority mail flate rate box? Of course ou would still need to worry about what the country on the other end thinks about said items, but I am thinking on whether the OP would have any problems on the US side.
Also, would you be considered an exporter or it can be seen as a gift/whatever?
Also, would you be considered an exporter or it can be seen as a gift/whatever?
I myself am trying to understand how this mess works.
I ordered some parts from France for a revolver. After one month parts arrived. Package had priority mail label. Don't know if it was shipper being lazy or customs being very concerned about that spring... of... Doom!
I ordered some parts from France for a revolver. After one month parts arrived. Package had priority mail label. Don't know if it was shipper being lazy or customs being very concerned about that spring... of... Doom!
Gentlemen,
I'm not a moderator here, but may I suggest that we don't discuss illegal activities on The High road. There are a number of very easy and sophisticated ways to circumvent ITAR with virtually guaranteed 100% success rate and zero chance of getting caught, but before we get to that, it might be better it people found out about them elsewhere.
I'm not a moderator here, but may I suggest that we don't discuss illegal activities on The High road. There are a number of very easy and sophisticated ways to circumvent ITAR with virtually guaranteed 100% success rate and zero chance of getting caught, but before we get to that, it might be better it people found out about them elsewhere.
rodregier
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The executive summary is that export by any transport means of firearm parts by anyone other than a licensed exporter from the US to a foreign country is a contravention of the ITAR regulations. Contravention is a US federal crime.
The part that is hard for end-users to grasp is what falls under the controlled items list.
Yes, wooden and synthetic stocks are controlled by ITAR. So are washers, little screws and bolts if they are being sold as firearm parts (among other many items).
Big can of worms for individuals who are trying to comply with US export law.
The easiest way to ensure compliance is to buy from a company like Brownells who is up to speed on ITAR reporting and compliance and have it shipped by common carrier. Of course, that is also the slowest and typically most costly way to physically acquire the products you want.
In Canada (for example) there are a few of companies who specialize in arranging compliant exports from the US for products that the other companies don't list or for specific firearms. They charge a premium for that service and they work with licensed US exporters to make it happen.
I feel your pain. I've acquired firearm parts pre and post ITAR from the US, it was much simpler and less expensive in the pre-ITAR days.
The part that is hard for end-users to grasp is what falls under the controlled items list.
Yes, wooden and synthetic stocks are controlled by ITAR. So are washers, little screws and bolts if they are being sold as firearm parts (among other many items).
Big can of worms for individuals who are trying to comply with US export law.
The easiest way to ensure compliance is to buy from a company like Brownells who is up to speed on ITAR reporting and compliance and have it shipped by common carrier. Of course, that is also the slowest and typically most costly way to physically acquire the products you want.
In Canada (for example) there are a few of companies who specialize in arranging compliant exports from the US for products that the other companies don't list or for specific firearms. They charge a premium for that service and they work with licensed US exporters to make it happen.
I feel your pain. I've acquired firearm parts pre and post ITAR from the US, it was much simpler and less expensive in the pre-ITAR days.
Ok. I will not try to transport anything illegally. (Is that proper grammar?)
But I think pigs will fly before I can find a folding stock for a Mini 14 in a shop that will export it to me... Hrmph...
Brownells here in Norway is a brand new thing, it replaced www.midway.no, and so far it doesn't look to good. Overprized and few items... But that's another discussion. Thanks for all the answers and help, everyone. Much appreciated.
But I think pigs will fly before I can find a folding stock for a Mini 14 in a shop that will export it to me... Hrmph...
Brownells here in Norway is a brand new thing, it replaced www.midway.no, and so far it doesn't look to good. Overprized and few items... But that's another discussion. Thanks for all the answers and help, everyone. Much appreciated.
Johnny_B_Goode
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Optics cannot be taken out of the US. You maybe able to get scopes sent to your retailer at home. You will have to do your homework. I am sure it is just a matter of paperwork. But no US dealer will ship a scope out of the us/canada.
Johnny_B_Goode
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It was much simpler in days gone by. We just put firearms in our duffel bag, no questions asked. In my fathers day you could claim firearms as a war prize and bring them home. My grandfather brought home a bunch of Ariska rifles that no one wanted. They sat in the barn until they froze up.
Are you sure about that? ITAR Part 121 22 CFR Chapter 1 4-1-14 edition, §121.1, Category I section f defines restricted optical sighting systems as "Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications". Non-tactical scopes and sights seem to be widely available from US online retailers with no apparent restrictions of overseas shipping or retail price and value.
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