Short Machete

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Delta, I'd forgotten about Tramontina. I've sharpened a few of their kitchen knives for friends, and those will take a scary edge.

Nem, in the polypro handle Tramontina is showing both 10" and 12" blade machetes - http://www.tramontina.com.br/products/8657-machete
I especially like their use statement:
General orientations
Safe and proper use:
Cutting and slicing products. Handle with care and keep out of reach of children. For better performance of the products, it is recommended they are dried very carefully before storing. (Bold emphasis mine)
:D
 
A sharpie and a hack saw with a dewalt Bi-melt blade and a can of water to keep it cool you can shorten and reshape it with no problems.

I sandwich the blade between 4 pieces of wood clamped to the blade with c-clamps and cut nice and slow.

I got a 18 or 22 inch one and I bought it back in the 1980's at a Discount Ag store in Eastern Arkansas.
 
Uga, those 10" and 12"ers look like good contenders for me.

Delta, I hear you re shortening a long one. Two years ago, where I was then with the tools I had there/then, I could have undertaken such a project. Now, no way. Just not possible for me. (Please see my location, which also indicates the tools I travel with. Not to mention my time constraints, which dictate a different use of my time.)

Others maybe, so good to have the record here.

Me? I'm buying the length I need to start with. ;)
 
I love the Tramontina 12-inch machete, but I use it more as a large knife than as a machete. It's too light for a dedicated chopper, but it's light, easy to use and extremely quick in the hands. I've used it for light chopping jobs, splitting kindling wood, etc. It would do for making a shelter or a stretcher in an emergency, and its light weight allows it to be along when bigger blades were left at home.

If you want a weapon, I strongly believe the Ontario is better, although the Tramontina could be a nightmare to face, in the hands of a determined person. The Tramontina, OTOH, can be used for food prep, to sharpen pencils, and dozens of other jobs requiring control. It's also light enough not to be fatiguing when doing chores.

The Tram. 12-inch machetes are available. I prefer the hardwood handle, as it can be customized to fit one's hand better. Machete Specialists has them:

Tramontina 12-inch machete:
http://www.machetespecialists.com/tr12bumawiha.html

Tramontina 12-inch machete w/ canvas sheath:
http://www.machetespecialists.com/tramontina-12-bush-with-canvas-sheath.html

All my best,
Dirty Bob
 
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I'm unclear as to what makes a Khukuri unsuitable for batoning.
I've batonned my Khuks for 25 years, since before I knew there was a name for it.

The Windlass Steelcrafts copy of the USMC Hospital Corps knife works well for chopping and batoning (batonning?)
The blade is about 3/16" thick and 11.5" long.

Or maybe a Woodsman's Pal, or even a sugar cane knife.
 
Jaymo, the allegation in the articles I read is that the khuk's nonlinear axis (concave; sinusoidal) is harder to easily control when batoning.

I'm glad yours is working out for you - I'm sure it's all about what one trains with - but I want something more horizontal.

Once again, it's what I've used in the past, and it just feels right for me.
 
Cold Steel makes a short machete that looks like it should be good for chopping and batonning.
 
DB, great link. They also sell a Tramontina 5 pack for $35 which has:
Tramontina 12" Inch Bush Machete with Hardwood Handle

Tramontina 14" Bolo Machete with Hardwood Handle

Tramontina 13" Cane Machete with Hardwood Handle

Tramontina 20" Bush Machete with Black Poly Handle

Tramontina 24" Bush Machete with Black Poly Handle

At that price you could trade or sell the two really long ones, and still have three good shorter blades in different styles to try out.
 
I just received a condor combat machete. I have not had a chance to use it but it feels well balances and great in the hand. I believe it was only $40.
 
I have a number of machete choices since I started getting interested in them. Would not mind owning at least one of the Tramontina's to try out. One of my buying conditions in practice has to be that I am willing to use it and the Bark River Machetes might fall into the ... too nice to use catagory for my income level. Considering one just "because", but I have too many blades that never get used already.

If I want a short machete to carry with me in the woods, the Condor Golok or Kabar Cutlass machete gets the call to duty in most cases unless the blade is just along for the ride. In which case, the Kabar Cutlass machete is very good for that purpose.

I seldom cut grass or weeds with a machete, but I might cut my way through some thick undergrowth that might include briars. Come to think of it.... next time I go trout fishing on the Hiwassee River, I think I am going to do some fisherman trail maintence with a machete. The Condor Golok will probably get the call to duty for that task.

There is no one size fits all for me.
 
Lots of good options out there, but in the meantime I bought the heaviest $6 machete I could find and ran it thru the chop saw at 14 inches...
 
Here's a pic of my first "trash can plastic" sheath, made for a customized Ontario machete. I used too many rivets, but it still came out OK. The brass post was turned from a piece of round stock, to allow tucking the whole thing in my belt when I wanted to.

Regarding the machete: I removed the awful D-handle, reground the choil and added canvas Micarta scales with homemade "Loveless" rivets -- made from bolts and round stock that I cut and tapped -- to secure them, along with epoxy. Moving the handle up shortened the whole machete by a bit. It's been used primarily as a huge kitchen knife and has gone along on many picnics and BBQ outings. It's great for cutting frozen food!

The other is a Tramontina 12-inch machete, with the handle re-worked a bit. The craptastic cardboard scabbard is fine for carry in a pack. The small mill file has its own pocket: I like to touch up the edge on the machete every time I use it.

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The second pic shows the mouth of the plastic sheath. The layers of the welt are clearly visible. The welt allows for the blade thickness without having to "mold" the sheath, and it protects the fastenings from the blade and protects the edge from being dulled by the rivets. If I wanted to drill lashing holes around the edges of the sheath, I would have made the welt wider.

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Finally, here's a closeup of the two machete handles. The dimples in the rivets serve to "lock" the threads (along with the epoxy that was on them). You can also see the reshaping of the Tramontina handle, which is why I strongly prefer their hardwood handles.

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All my best,
Dirty Bob
 

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Ontario Gen II SP53

After a few weeks of research, including in this thread, and reading a ton of reviews and watching a few pounds of videos, I just ordered that one.

First impressions will be forthcoming upon receipt with a review in early July after a long camping trip.

Hypothesis: it's exactly what I was looking for in a chopper suitable for batoning.

SABRE GRIND [thus reportedly better for batoning than flat grind SP52]
5160 CARBON STEEL WITH BLACK EPOXY COAT
57-58 RC HARDNESS
BLADE LENGTH: 9-7/16" [a bit shorter than my original spec, but good enough]
OVERALL LENGTH: 15-1/4"
BLADE THICKNESS: 1/4"
HANDLE: KRATON COMFORT GRIP
BALLISTIC NYLON SHEATH WITH KYDEX INSERT

MSRP: $152. I paid $83 shipped UPS.

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Nem,
You went shorter than 12". Looks good and I really like the handle. Very nice decision. Looking forward to your comments...
Jim
 
I agree with Jim, Kid, very nice. Would love to read more about them: steel included.

Jim, in my OP, I specified 10 - 12" blade, so 9.4375" on the SP53 is pretty close. :D

It had so much else going for it, including the heft from that 1/4" blade for chopping, so I didn't mind losing a little.
I'm not finding any reviews of the SP53 yet - it's relatively new - but it's flat grind twin the SP52 gets very high marks.
 
PS: when I speak of 'batoning' wood, I mean small pieces of short, dry wood (less than 2" diam)
that I can use when getting the fire started, NOT 3 - 4" logs as some in this archived thread on batoning tried to do. :eek:

I may chop said wood with this knife, or just use my BG portable saw to cut it short.
In my experience, splitting the early wood just gets the fire going faster,
especially if there's been recent rain.

But in general, this is a chopper of small diam wood, not a splitter.

But one must be patient. It's a knife, not a hatchet.

More by edit: I plan to use this knife to cut small wood
to use in a small camp version of a rocket stove.
 
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Nem,
Real intersted in how the coating holds up. I have a 10 year old Benchmade 9100 that has lost most of its coating but is still going strong. Just bought a back up. It is still in the safe. I guess we can discuss this in 10 years:D
 
Me, too, Jim, on the coating.
I look at coatings as outer layers
that reduce the flash of moonlight and
slow the deterioration of inner layers,
but know they won't last forever.

But then, neither will I. :D

It's the steel underneath that matters most,
and I'm reading that 5160 is good stuff.

We'll see. Testable hypothesis.
 
Great choice! I like that blade. It looks like it will serve you well. The only thing I haven't liked about this thread is that it's tempting me to increase my knife collection!

Best wishes,
Dirty Bob
 
I strongly suspect that if I like this knife as much as I think I will,
I'm going to want to acquire a better sheath for it.
So now is not too early to discuss that.

Recommendations?

PS: It'll be tested here by July 1.
 

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