Shot 7 times with 9mm and lived to tell story

[DustyVermonter]

I would never try and discredit certain advantages to using hollowpoints, and I love to have the first sets of mags for each handgun I have loaded with them. In fact I am pretty choosey about hollowpoint ammunition as far as what little I chose to stock up on, personally, for conversation sake, I like Speer Gold Dot 90gr and Corbon DPX 80gr for my .380 and Hornady Critical Defense 115gr and Hornady Tap 124gr for my 9mm's and Hornady Tap 230gr for my .45. As a matter of fact, earlier I stated that I only like using 230gr Hardball for my 1911 as that's what the GI was intended to digest, but I found that the Winchester White Box Personal Protection 230gr's work very well on the GI's ramp because there isn't such a dramatic tapering of the bullet, its very well rounded and in my experience, is completely reliable and would trust it completely. But as of lately, I strongly feel that if 9mm and .45acp Hardball ammo or any other hardball for that matter, means that I can launch a heavy ass chunk of lead at a very high rate of speed, accurately, at somebody who is trying to attack me, I am very confident that I can make it work for me, hell, I don't ever want to be put to this test, and don't want to sound ignorant in saying so, but I think if the scenario dictated that I was forced to be in a very up close and personal confrontation, where hypothetically someone was holding me up and I didn't know whether they were planning on shoting me after they robbed me, that I would be quick enough on my feet to disable the assailent with a simple knife, I'm not confident in that because of any extensive training from a competent instructor, but more confident in the fact that I have a strong will to live, and am pretty swift on my feet, so when it comes to Hardball Vs. Hollowpoints, I'm not too concerned. Now if the debate was 7 round mags Vs. 17 round mags, that would be something I would seriously debate and have cause for concern, I can definitely say that I'd rather have a 17 round mag loaded with 9mm as opposed to a 7 round mag of .45acp.

 

[CajunBass]

I remember reading a story from a WWII naval battle. A navy officer who's ship (U.S.S. Johnston, look up the ships story sometime) was sinking found a badly wounded sailor still attempting to load and fire his gun at the enemy. Taking the shell from the dying man, and moving him to a more comfortable position, the officer continued checking the ship to make sure everyone who could get off, had done so. As he passed back by the gun mount, he saw the same sailor had crawled back to his position and was still trying to load his gun for one last defiant shot. The officer at that point, helped the dying man fulfill his last wish, and helped him load the gun and fire it. The dying man, who almost literally had been blown in half, at that point, finally gave up the ghost.

I suppose from that one story, we should assume that 8" to16" naval shells are not good stoppers?

 

[brabham78]

Am I just being a worry wart.......?

Yes you are.

That's a good story, and no doubt there is some fact contained within it, but by the time the story reached you it had gathered some second and third hand "spin". ie- it wasn't your own eye witness account, so it falls into the "anecdotal" category, which makes it something that we can draw no conclusions from. I'm willing to bet the victim was out of action long before he realized he was. Had he been a criminal, I seriously doubt that after taking the first round, he'd have still been spoiling for a fight.

In a self defense encounter, our intent should be to put the criminal out of action, or make him retreat, pronto. If he dies because of our action, so be it, he brought it on himself. If he lives, I guess he lucked out in a big way, just like the guy in your story. Either way, we live, and that's the whole idea.

Or Military guys regularly use 9mm FMJ to good effect against some very motivated (and sometimes drugged out) adversaries, and they've been doing it for many years. 9mm FMJ has been used by other military forces in the same way, for the better part of a century. Has 9mm suddenly stopped working? Has modern man built up an immunity to 9mm bullets? No, of course not. The only problem with 9mm today is that it gets talked to death by all the nervous nellies on-line.

Impureclient, if your carry gun is a 9mm, you are well armed. Good self defense JHP ammo will make the already good 9mm even better.

 

[Lonestar49]

The 9mm does its part if you do yours. How on earth have the SEALS and Green Berets, among others, been getting by with 9MM FMJ for over a generation now?

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Actually, the SEALS, are, and have been for a long time, using the Sig P226/40's and, somewhat, like Green Berets, both go thru serious training with handguns and each carry's an ~ Expert ~ rating, some carry ~ Distinguished Expert ~ ratings

And they go thru "ongoing simulation practices" and remain sharp as tacks - which would explain (thinking of Green Berets/Seals) - back when, whether they used 9mm, or 45cal, it was "shot placement/s" that got the job done with whatever caliber they used back then and today..

For example: LAPD SWAT use 45cal, namely 1911's, for many reasons, but they don't feel under-loaded, mag capacity wise, as their first 3 shots usually do the job, whether going firing thru doors of any (most) types, wood, car, homes, etc., for the most part, or glass, be it cars, homes, offices, etc., along with walls (corner hall for example) and that is with JHP's +P ammo of 230gr

So, with that in mind, maybe the OP should consider a compromise, and a good one, IMHO, and go 40cal.. He'll get bullet size, speed, and mag round count, all in one gun (of many choices and styles) be it DA/SA, DAO, SAO (but as mentioned many times) it's shot placement/s that will win the day for some and end the day for others..

Just saying,


Ls

 

[Bexar]

If a major nerve complex is not hit then there are very few of anything that will immediately and with 100% reliability stop a fight.

There was a case of a police officer shooting a cold sober felon the cop had recognized was wanted for a felony warrant. The felon started to draw his weapon even though the cop had his .45 pistol already drawn. Witnesses said the cop fired three times before the felon shot him and put him down with one shot. The felon was found 100 yards away with three holes in his heart.

East Texas: Cop shoots a meth head six times in the body with his .41 magnum. Meth head starts beating the cop. Cops partner/back-up runs the felon over with the cruiser. Felon is under the cruiser rocking it in a meth rage so badly that things were falling out of the open door.

Cops gun accidentally discharges into the dirt as he holsters it to cuff a suspect. Suspect goes to the ground, loses his water and doesn't quit crying hysterically for thirty minutes.

No CNS hit...no guarantees. Especially with a handgun.

Bexar

 

[Mags]

If it ain't your time I don't think it matters if you were shot with a 50BMG, but if it is your time a 22lr will do the trick. Deities and destiny aside shot placement is key and then caliber.

Didn't we just do one like this yesterday?