shot my Hi-Point yestiday

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Glad your happy with that performance. I will not trust them. Smith and Ruger make much nicer revolvers. And better autos can be had from many sources. But to each his own. As the armorer and firearms instructor for my department I will not authorize any Taurus weapons.
Pat
 
Based on what someone else pointed me to on the debate on integral locks, I'm not so sure I'd trust a Smith with one of those things.

Then again, I wouldn't buy a Smith now anyways. Nor would I buy a Ruger. Even though, a Ruger Police Service Six was my first revolver. But that was before the Late Bill Ruger sold out to the Clintonistas.

But as you said, to each his, or her own.
 
A correctional officer I know is sending back a Taurus 608 because the lock is causing the gun to lock up. Its slowly comming on as the weapon fires.
Pat
 
Ruger and S&W boycott?

Then again, I wouldn't buy a Smith now anyways. Nor would I buy a Ruger. Even though, a Ruger Police Service Six was my first revolver. But that was before the Late Bill Ruger sold out to the Clintonistas.
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Could somebody enlighten me as to what you mean? I have seen a few posts along this line.

Thanks
 
A correctional officer I know is sending back a Taurus 608 because the lock is causing the gun to lock up. Its slowly comming on as the weapon fires.
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Knowing how Taurus' customer service works, I'm sure they'll fix the problem.
 
cool, thanks

Well, I had already sold my S&W DA 9mm a while ago. To fund a 1911 purchase.
Don't feel so bad about it now.
After reading through those links I have to think about selling the 3 Rugers I have.
 
Please name one police department that will admit to carrying any Hi-Point!

Please!

As a civilian, you can carry anything you want. But in law enforcement, you must have a real tool that will work everytime.
 
Well Al, Glocks work. I have been in Law Enforcement for almost 7 years. Most of that time I carried a Glock. I purposefully ran my Glock in a training class without cleaning it for 1500 rounds. No malfunctins. I have seen them abused with no malfunctions. I have qualified with them at -30 below than they worked when other pistols chocked. Glocks are worthy of respect rather you like them or not. There are other good guns out there ( Taurus and Highpoints are not on the list) too. But Glock is one of the very best pistols currently made.
Pat
 
I tend to agree.

I want, as do all that wear a handgun for a living, to employ a handgun that possesses the "Bic" quality. (Works 'first time, every time'.) If a pistol consistently malfunctions while you're on duty, you are in "deep doggy doo doo".

As for Armed Security Officers being a policeman that couldn't be hired, I disagree. It depends upon the individual. Not everyone wants to be a cop in today's climate of 'political correctness'. I no longer wish to work as a police officer, because the public wants to psychoanalyze every malefactor and/or miscreant to see if they are a candidate for "habilitation". As an Officer of the Court, I am going to have a difficult time with the hand-wringing Leftists as it is. I don't need to pat the real bad guy's hand, and weep over his/her "difficult upbringing" or "emotionally impoverished" childhood. Too bad, so sad.

Fortunately most police officers are at a much higher standard than security guards. Most security guards are wanna be cops who could not get hired.
Pat
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Pat: That is a cruel and vicious allegation! Do you charge that "electric ego" periodically, or is it a perpetual motion machine? Sheesh! :rolleyes: Thanks, again for making a slanderous remarks that denigrate a perfectly honorable profession! You should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt that you are. :fire:

Scott
 
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Regarding Glocks, Hi-Points, S&W, Colt and Taurus pistols: When I went with a group of others for the qualification course we had to take to work as Armed security in Louisiana, we had a mix of firearms. S&W, Colt, Springfields, Glocks, Hi-Points, and Taurus pistols. When it came time to qualify, I saw two pistols jam. One was a Springfield XD-40. The other was a Glock. I don't know the model, but I'm pretty sure it was a .40 S&W. Everything else, including the Hi-Points and my Taurus got through the qualification course without incident.

Why did those two jam? I have no idea. None of my Taurus pistols have ever jammed. And I can put all 16 rounds on target with little effort. Yes, I'm happy with those results.

Regarding cops and guards: I'll leave that to someone else, I'm likely to say something I'll regret later. All I'll say for now is I worked as a part-time LEO for a couple of years. It was "interesting."

As far as guns go, everyone has their opinion. You have yours, I have mine, so deal with it, ok?
 
Well Al, Glocks work. I have been in Law Enforcement for almost 7 years. Most of that time I carried a Glock. I purposefully ran my Glock in a training class without cleaning it for 1500 rounds. No malfunctins. I have seen them abused with no malfunctions. I have qualified with them at -30 below than they worked when other pistols chocked. Glocks are worthy of respect rather you like them or not. There are other good guns out there ( Taurus and Highpoints are not on the list) too. But Glock is one of the very best pistols currently made.
Pat
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I'm with you Pat. I just don't understand why people dig shooting Wal-Mart guns. Even if not for SD.

Guys Hi-Points are cheap for a reason - low tech engineering, inexpensive metal (not steel or billet material). Sure they have a lifetime warranty - when they cost $20 to make, sending out a replacement gun is no big deal. But over the years, they have developed their guns. Same as they were 10 years ago. Made out of a warehouse outside of Cleveland (mainly).

Come on guys - I've said this before - your life is worth more so save up and buy any gun in the $400 range on up for SD. Now if it's a tackle box gun - fine.

But the only cheap gun manufacturer that has proven that they can make $250 guns and seems to be improving on their quality is Kel Tec. Those little .32 and .380s are being carried by a lot of cops quietly. What a cheap gun - buy a 9mm Kel Tec.

Cheap and guns are two words that should not ever be combined.

Have some pride guys!
 
Duncan,

How would you feel if a guy was saving up for a $400 gun and one night got shot because he didn't buy the ~$100 Hi-Point at a Gun Show? Have you ever owned a Hi-Point? One of my guns is a Hi-Point 9mm, after the first 250 round break in it has never failed to shoot................

Jim
 
I know it’s not very politically correct. To call it like it is with private security (Guardian, Brinks, Loomis ext.). Most private security guards I have met are LEO wanna bee’s. They have guys who carry CCW badges, buy old cop cars put blue lights on them. ext. Most I have encountered on the job were leo drop outs. There are some exceptions I am sure.

Good people are not willing to work for the low pay private security pays. So they get the bottom of the barrel. Hence your cop wanna bee’s and academy drop outs. Nearly all of the ones I have met have been laughable. The only ones with any amount of professionalism were the guards working for Gov't bases and installations.

Gunfan getting a police job is much harder. You have to pass written and physical examinations. Then comes oral boards, psychological and polygraph exams. The competition is fierce. You pretty much have to have a 2 or 3 year degree to get hired along with a clean record. The background checks are extensive. If you are hired the background investigator knows more about you than you do. To get hired with most private security firms the standards are almost non existent. You simply fill out an application like you would for a job at 7-11. You’re given very basic training. Most of it includes calling the cops if you come across trouble. To compare the standards of getting hired as an officer with private security is laughable.

This is not a personal attack on anyone here. I don't know you and there are exceptions to every rule. But in general private security from what I have seen is a joke.

Also the tone you make when saying the following
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"I no longer wish to work as a police officer, because the public wants to psychoanalyze every malefactor and/or miscreant to see if they are a candidate for "habilitation, don't need to pat the real bad guy's hand, and weep over his/her "difficult upbringing" or "emotionally impoverished" childhood. Too bad, so sad.
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If this is how you feel about being an officer I doubt you would have passed the psych portion of the background anyway. This statments shows you have no understanding of what law enforcement is. We don't pat anyone on the back. We are professionals with a job to do. Our political feels must remain separate from the job. We don't get involved into criminal psychology other than using it to help solve crimes.

Pat
 
355sigfan said:
To get hired with most private security firms the standards are almost non existant. You simply fill out an applications like you would for a job at 7-11. Your given very basic training. Most of it includes calling the cops if you come across trouble. To compare the standards of getting hired as an officer with private security is laughable.
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Getting hired by Private security depends on two things, the company, and the state you're in. I've seen some companies that hire you in the door. Others, do local, state and FBI background checks. MOST require at least your fingerprints and a lot of them do these personality tests.

Training varies by company and state. In Illinois, you have to take a 20 hour course just to be a security officer, and then there's another 20 hours to worked armed. Louisiana has a course for unarmed (hours required are unknown to me.) and then there's a 12 hour course to work armed. The thing is, in New Orleans, they teach this 12 hour course in about 90 minutes. Oh, and getting hired on NOPD is a bit easier than most other places. ;)


While I'll agree that getting hired as a LEO is harder to do that getting hired as a Security officer, if it wasn't for security guards, cops would have a lot more to do, and not enough time to do it in.

With regard to "cheap and guns." They SHOULD go together, like hotdogs and chili. Something not everyone likes, but something that EVERYONE, regardless of income can afford.
 
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OH MAN!! I'm a double looser. I've got a Hi-Point (that works by the way) AND I used to be a security guard.
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That's ok, I won't hold it against you. ;)

Thing is, I've worked as security and LEO, and now I'm going back to working security again.

But I don't own a Hi-Point.....yet! I do own a Firestorm Compact (right at $300.00 cost wise), an EAA Witness (less than $400.00). A Bersa Thunder .380 (less than $200.00). Oh, and a VZ-52 (less than $160.00). So I got a few cheap (cost wise) guns. ;)
 
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Training varies by company and state. In Illinois, you have to take a 20 hour course just to be a security officer, and then there's another 20 hours to worked armed. Louisiana has a course for unarmed (hours required are unknown to me.) and then there's a 12 hour course to work armed. The thing is, in New Orleans, they teach this 12 hour course in about 90 minutes. Oh, and getting hired on NOPD is a bit easier than most other places
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Just to be an officer I had to attend a 16 week academy that was run like a boot camp. Then there was an even more stressfull 14 week long Field Training Program. The field training program is where we lose most recruits. I will not stick up for the NOPD. They are a black eye to all law enforcement. That is what happens when you pay cops like security guards and expect them to do a good job. NOPD has been taken over by the FBI on two occasions for major scandals. They were recently found looting in uniform during the Huricane Katrina disaster. I was infuriated when I saw video of two NOPD officers looting a WallMart in uniform. We have our bad apples too in law enforcment.

CajunBass most good people like yourself don't stay in security because of the low pay and benefits.
Pat
 
CajunBass most good people like yourself don't stay in security because of the low pay and benefits.
Pat
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Actually, the reason I got out of it was because it was a part time job. I really enjoyed it.

My son is a security guard now. He was going to be a cop, but this paid better.
 
Yup, I got $1200.00 a week for security in NO. Mind you, the job I'm taking now doesn't pay as good, but I only need a part time job anyway.

I think California has a pretty long (from what I recall) training requirement for security out there. Of course, some states have no requirement. But when all most people want is a walking, talking fire/burglar alarm, who cares!
 
Security paying better than a cop job. Thats hard to believe. Most of the security work I have seen in my state is around 10 to 12 bucks an hour with no benefits. The lowest paid cops start at approximately $18 an hour with a 20 year retirement and medical benefits.
Pat
 
Dear Pat:

I have a Bachelor's degree in Speech Communication from Portland State University, and two years of Post Baccalaureate study in History and Administration of Justice. (3.22 cumulative G.P.A. in 1999.) I have been in College at two other institutes of Higher Education (for a total of nine years.) This must mean that I have learned a little in my lifetime. :rolleyes:

I plan on matriculating to the University of Montana next year. I have my sights set on a Doctorate of Jurisprudence. This should take but three years after my return to the classroom. Eventually, I should begin working in a small District Attorney's office, in a large Montana county,with a small county seat. This should be accomplished within the next four years.

I DO hope that you find the compensation on your job as satisfying as will I. (Good luck in that.)

BTW, I have had my background and fingerprints checked so frequently and thoroughly, that we should be engaged!

Scott
 
Pat:

In about four years, you may be catching them, but I'll be prosecuting them... in a nice, climate-controlled courtroom! Enjoy!

Scott
 
So your security work is a means to an end. Good luck with school and the Bar exam. Seen a lot of hopefull attorneys fail.
Pat
 
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