Shot my WASR-10 AK today!

[Evil Monkey]

200rds of Wolf through it.

You know how they say AK's are reliable no matter what? They were wrong.

My AK jammed so many times I lost count. Pretty much every jam was a result of the rear of the piston getting caught on the rear sight block. One guy told me that the Wolf ammo was underpowered and he could have been right. But within the last 60rds or so, the rifle stopped jamming. I guess it was just being broken in because it was the first time being shot.

On the other hand, my wobbly magazine well didn't seem to contribute to the jamming, nor did the rifle experience any failure to fire, failure to eject or extract, etc.

I remember the piston being so clean and shiny, now it's covered in gray carbon. I would hate to see what would happen to an AR15 after 200rds.

Oh BTW, when RO's allow you to fully load your magazines, suddenly outdoor ranges become infinitely better than indoor ranges when you compare cost to shoot, ammo, etc..

The range was Huron Pointe Sportsmens Association in Michigan, if any body wants to know and go there.

 

[Shear_stress]

Sorry to hear about your troubles. By and large WASR10s are pretty reliable and should run fine with Wolf ammo. Two questions: did you clean the gun before firing it? Also, any chance that your gas tube is canted to one side?

 

[MikePGS]

Where at in Michigan is that Evil Monkey? the only outdoor range by me, Bald Mountain, only allows you to load a single round at a time.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

Where at in Michigan is that Evil Monkey? the only outdoor range by me, Bald Mountain, only allows you to load a single round at a time.

Ive been hearing about that bull**** at my club recently. No reason for it, its just accomidating anti's and the ignorant.

anyways, its nice to hear range reports. Hope the rifles done giving u problems.

 

[spyderdude]

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences with your WASR10. I guess it's a 50/50 chance that you'll get a good one. Mine has never jammed on me, even after 300 rounds of WOLF FMJ and 100 WOLF HPs. I never bothered to clean mine after bringing it home. I just looked it over, did a basic function test, and locked it in the safe. I did field strip it after bringing it home, to check to see how much cosmoline was in it. I was surprised to find that there was minimal cosmo. I took it out to the range and and a heck of a time with it. I hope you can get yours to work like an AK should. It really makes me upset to hear about AKs jamming, even the cheap clones.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't read about it not jamming after 60 rounds. I can agree that some guns will malfunction until you've put a few rounds through it. My Gas Piston is completely black, but it still shoots.

 

[Evil Monkey]

Two questions: did you clean the gun before firing it? Also, any chance that your gas tube is canted to one side?

Yes, I bought it 2 weeks ago and have cleaned it. Apparently, I didn't fully clean it as some of the cosmoline was oozing out when the rifle starting getting hot.

The gas tube doesn't look like it's canted at all, nor is the gas block. For all I know, it might be the piston that's canted, but that also looks straight.

Where at in Michigan is that Evil Monkey?

http://www.huronpointe.org/
This range also has the "one load" rule but most of the RO's will let you fully load mags as long as you don't rapid fire because you might hit the wooden baffle boards or something like that. I was treated very well at Huron Pointe and had no problems with the RO's. Although when I talked to the first RO about fully loaded mags, he said that they wouldn't allow it but then I said that I contacted Webmaster Dave Edwards and Dave said he doesn't have a problem with loaded mags nor do 9 out of 10 RO's so that RO ended up talking to other RO's and they let me in and let me load 30rd mags. I was firing like one round every 2-3 seconds and for the 2 hours I was there, they never gave me any trouble. It's a great place. I had LOTS of fun, even with no rapid fire.

 

[.45&TKD]

Pretty much every jam was a result of the rear of the piston getting caught on the rear sight block.

I would check for a canted gas block.

I believe that if you disassemble and move the piston back and forth by hand, with the gas tube removed, you can see if the piston is rubbing.

 

[EricTheBarbarian]

my wasr had a break in period. it wanted tojam every few rounds and not cycle right away. after about 100 ive had no problems. just keep runnin rounds through it and try different mags. supposedly the plastic mags fight tighter than the metal ones to try for the wobble but I have never tried them.

 

[hceptj]

When I got my WASR I took it home, broke it down and sprayed the heck out of everything, then just put a little oil on it. Took it to the range the next day and ran 300 rounds through it w/o a problem...

Glad your's worked out after a few boxes of ammo! Congrats on the new ak!

 

[craig]

i bought 2 wasr's at the same time. one each for my wife and i.

cleaned them and went shooting.

mine jammed twice in the first 30 rounds. failure to feed. after that, it was perfect.

hers did the same for about 75 rounds, now it's working fine.

they both have about 800 rounds through them now, and work perfectly.

we use wolf 122 gr. fmj and hp. dirty ammo, but it doesn't bother the guns. they seem to like it.

 

[armoredman]

One round at a time? What a crock.
My wife's WASR works perfectly, but the drunken monkeys at CAI can really ruin a fine firearm. The one I bought had to have work done by the previous owner to be reliably, and remove the notorious trigger slap.
How was accuracy?

 

[Evil Monkey]

UPDATE: Not that anyone cares but....

Been shooting some more over the weeks and I just came back from shooting at the range today and out of 140rds of wolf, I only had 1 failure to feed because that piece of ammo was bad. It just wouldn't feed, but the WASR shot all other rounds without a problem. Also, I now have 8 mags and they ALL run perfectly even though they wobble.

What a great little rifle.

 

[KINGMAX]

HOW DO YOU LIKE THE 10 SHOT AK

I bought my WSAR 10 back right before the Brady Bill went away. I got it for $98.00 I think.

I had a guy in a Pawn Shop said he could get the for $75 at the time.

I own # AK's, one Wsar-10, and two others. I like the short 10-rond mag for moving around. The 30 and 50 rounders stick way out.

 

[KINGMAX]

My WSAR is a good one

My WSAR-10 is a great one. I can't remember the first of last jam I have encountered w/ it. It is right on sight, I can hit a snake in the head w/ it. Have you ever seen what a 7.62 x 39 will do to a snake's head. Can you say 'DE -cap - eye -tay shun'

 

[Hokkmike]

Took my WASR10 out too, for the first time. Only put 40 rounds through it. 3 jams and one failure to fire. Used "Golden Tiger" ammo. (cheap) Not too discouraged. I'll give 'er a chance to break in!

 

[st_albert]

when I bought my Waser-10 the store owner warned me about jams in the first 100-200 rounds. I had only 1 FTFeed in the first ~40 or so rounds, much better than I was led to expect. Mine also hung up via the piston on the sight block. I thought that was a bolt-holdopen feature at first. But after working it for a while, it has smoothed out. (It's not supposed to hold open!)

I think I'm in love!

Albert

 

[wally]

AKs are generally pretty rough and the WASR are usually among the roughest.

I think if you look closely you'll find the hang is at the bolt hitting the hammer on the way forward as it has to push the hammer down a bit on the way forward. It looks like the gas piston because the hammer is pushing the bottom of the bolt and carrier up a bit and the piston really magnifies the motion. I can make virtually any AK "hang" here by slow cycling without ammo or a mag in the gun. Few hang when fired and the ones that do usually smooth out enough to stop hanging fairly quickly.

--wally.

 

[Geno]

Hints to smooth-out your WASR-10!

1) Clean it thoroughly day-one.
2) Assure no metal spurs are evident
3) Use "Essence of Beauty" Multi-purpose Cotton Cosmetic Applicators to get into every nook and cranny with M-Pro7 CLP.
4) Use "Essence of Beauty" Multi-purpose Cotton Cosmetic Applicators to get into every nook and cranny with NECO Moly-slide (Sold at Bushmaster.com).
P.S. If anyone hounds me about the "Essence of Beauty", I'll have Biker take care of you.
5) Cycle the unloaded carbine's action 100 times. Check the coverage of lubricants. Apply more if needed up to the 500th round. I did have to apply additional M-Pro 7 and NECO after each 100 rounds.
6) Using either M-Pro7 cleaner or Gunscrubber, completely strip the rifle to the bare steel.
7) Reubricate with the "Essence of Beauty" Multi-purpose Cotton Cosmetic Applicators to get into every nook and cranny with M-Pro 7 oil...not CPL.
8) Re-lubricate with NECO Moly-slide (Sold at Bushmaster.com).

You should now note a massive, massive difference. MY WASR-10 is so smoothe that many people have to look twice to assure that it is not a milled receiver.

By the way, keep an eye on your trigger pin while it's new. Assure it doesn't slide out to the left. If it does slide out of place, check to see that the shepherd's crook is not missing or displaced. Mine arrived with it displaced.

Doc2005

 

[MechAg94]

Don't forget using a steel file to smooth exterior sharp edges.

My WASR 2 sounds like the action is full of gravel, but it does work. Given all the rough edges and not so polished machining I am sure it will take some breaking in to get all the parts moving smoothly. My WASR 2 is dencently accurate also. I have found that if I used the thicker plastic mags, they don't wobble so much and affect reliability.

 

[countryrebel]

Never had any problems with mine and all I shoot is wolf ammo.

 

[Geno]

+1 for Wolf ammo in my WASR-10, and in both of my SKS 59/66s. In fact, Wolf ammo has consistently performed as-well-as the Winchester ammo that cost literally 5.40 times more!

Wolf 7.62X39 @ $3.33/box 20 = .166 cents per round

Win 7.62X39 @ $17.99/box 20 = .899 cents per round?!

 

[st_albert]

@Doc2005:

By the way, keep an eye on your trigger pin while it's new. Assure it doesn't slide out to the left. If it does slide out of place, check to see that it has a retaining "C" washer. Mine came only with Loc Tite, and that caused some very, very serious "issues". P.M. me for details. I don't want to post them.

Do you mean a washer in addition to the "shepherd's crook" spring thingie that usually retains the pins?

And, how did accuracy compare with the Wolf vs. Winchester ammo?

Thanks,
Albert

 

[Geno]

Bingo! Mine was just laying there...thank-you, st albert! Fixed and correct! By gosh, that was quick and easy.

Re: accuracy, that range is limited to like 20 yards, so it isn't enough to determine accuracy potentials. I'll have to wait to see when I can drive to a 100 yard range. For me, though, I bought the WASR-10 for home defense use. I would not anticipate ever applying it at ranges in excess of 20 feet. If I needed father reach for Zombies, I have better options.

Thanks,

Doc2005

 

[lamazza]

As an RO I see ALOT of WASR's that jam. i have a feeling it has something to do with who built them.

 

[1911JMB]

WASR's come with a ton of metal shavings inside. Thats what I suspect caused the problem. We cleaned my friends WASR real good, and the only time his WASR fails to fire is when we bump dump it. Rather than fire out of battery it doesn't fire at all. So thats a good jam.

As for ranges, if you are anywhere near Lapeer, you simply MUST try out the Pit.