WAshooter
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I saw some 25 round drums for 12 gage in shotgun news, i was wondering if they are legal for an average joe without a class 3
Shotgun Drum Ammo
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WAshooter
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They looked like a generic size, you had to use a certain size shell.
I'll try to scan the ad and post the pic tomorrow.
I'll try to scan the ad and post the pic tomorrow.
MD_Willington
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Probably Saiga drums from MDARMs
Unless you live in a state that restrict magazine size for shotguns why would the be illegal?
Matter of fact, does any state restrict shotgun magazine size at all?
Matter of fact, does any state restrict shotgun magazine size at all?
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many states put restrictions how many shells your shotgun can hold when you are hunting certain game(turkey and deer come to mind) but otherwise, I know of no laws that restrict the magazine capacity of a shotgun. Not that I know all the laws, but I've never heard of restrictions on SG mag capacity outside of hunting.
Virginia does for firearms carried in public areas. This includes open carry which is legal here (some cops are pulling guns on and giving people crap for open carry). Shotguns - 7 rounds of the longest amunition for which it is chambered. Rifles and pistols - 20 round mag capacity max. Holders of CHP's are fully exempted.
Private property and recreational shooting anything goes.
If you are hunting with Shotguns - 3 rounds for all game species (this is a seperate hunting law).
Where rifles are allowed for hunting, no restrictions except "noting smaller than .23 cal for big game" (sorry no .22, .220, .222, .223, .22-250, etc.)(also a seperate hunting law). Also no limit on magazine capacity while hunting when a rifle is allowed. Banana clips and drum type mags okay, but game warden may still give you crap. I had to pull it out of him, but a major with the game dept begrudgingly answered me "yes" when I asked if my M1A was okay with a 20 round mag (I have 5 and 10 round mags for it too). I just wanted to know for sure in case the 5 and 10 rounders don't work since I have never used them. I friend I work with and canoe with says he hunts with his SKS and a 30 rounder back home.
From the Virginia code, revised July 1, 2007:
§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.
The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.
(1991, c. 570; 1992, c. 790; 2003, c. 976; 2004, c. 995; 2005, c. 160; 2007, c. 813.)
Private property and recreational shooting anything goes.
If you are hunting with Shotguns - 3 rounds for all game species (this is a seperate hunting law).
Where rifles are allowed for hunting, no restrictions except "noting smaller than .23 cal for big game" (sorry no .22, .220, .222, .223, .22-250, etc.)(also a seperate hunting law). Also no limit on magazine capacity while hunting when a rifle is allowed. Banana clips and drum type mags okay, but game warden may still give you crap. I had to pull it out of him, but a major with the game dept begrudgingly answered me "yes" when I asked if my M1A was okay with a 20 round mag (I have 5 and 10 round mags for it too). I just wanted to know for sure in case the 5 and 10 rounders don't work since I have never used them. I friend I work with and canoe with says he hunts with his SKS and a 30 rounder back home.
From the Virginia code, revised July 1, 2007:
§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.
The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.
(1991, c. 570; 1992, c. 790; 2003, c. 976; 2004, c. 995; 2005, c. 160; 2007, c. 813.)
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damien
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If you can get a 25 round drum for a shotgun, why again was the streetsweeper declared a Destructive Device? It is nothing more than a semiauto shotgun with a drum!
Crunker1337
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Not even, the Streetsweeper was just a 12 gauge revolver.
Justin
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There's an outfit making a 20 round drum for the Saiga shotguns. It's called The Wraithmaker.
MD_Willington
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Yes they are also going to be making a magwell for the AGP mags.. I've inquired as to if they would consider making a magwell for the S.223 so that S.223 owners could use the magwell with AR-15 magazines.. like the Galil magwell adaptor.
physics
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WOW that is expensive... $320 OUCH!
cheap as far as shotgun drums go
Now that knoxx stopped making thier drums, only other competitor I know of is the USAS12 (I saw one advertised on GB a while back for $900 IIRC).
Knoxx drums are now commanding a premium (I just sold one for $325) and hold 10 rounds.
The novelty has kept the pricing a bit high for now.
But the feeling of dumping a 20 round drum at a single clay pigeon is priceless
Now that knoxx stopped making thier drums, only other competitor I know of is the USAS12 (I saw one advertised on GB a while back for $900 IIRC).
Knoxx drums are now commanding a premium (I just sold one for $325) and hold 10 rounds.
The novelty has kept the pricing a bit high for now.
But the feeling of dumping a 20 round drum at a single clay pigeon is priceless
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I'm still wondering about the original question asked...I've had the same thought myself. If BATF rules the USAS-12 to be a DD, then why wouldn't they rule a pistol-gripped Saiga-12 with a 20rd drum to be one?
Because the USAS 12 and the Streetsweeper were never given sporting purpose when imported. Also, they had no low cap mags available.
The saiga 12 is imported in a sporting configuration with low cap magazines. The ATF Cannot declare something non sporting just by a modification you do to it. It has to have no sporting purpose from the start.
WeedWhacker
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Unfortunately, the BATFE can pretty much do whatever the heck they want. Witness the whole shoelace fiasco and the crap going down at Red's Trading Post in Idaho.
We the People need to get our collective butt in gear and disband that rogue Prohibitionist agency.
revjen45
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A 10-round drum seems like a pretty useless appurtenance to a shotgun that already holds 8 or 9 in the tube.
Wes Janson
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Apples and oranges. Sporting vs. non-sporting refers to whether a firearm is eligible for import into the US. You can easily take a "sporting firearm" and convert it into an NFA weapon-cut down the barrel, modify the FCG for full auto, or remove the stock and add a foregrip. Any of the above, when done to a Title 1 firearm classified as sporting for the purposes of importation, will result in an unregistered weapon that falls under the provisions of the National Firearms Act (which is a federal felony, and really bad karma). My question is...what can or cannot one do to a semi-auto Title 1 shotgun that would result in it being reclassified as a Destructive Device?
WeedWhacker
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I know!
Abolish the BATFE?
precisionshootist
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AMEN!!
It's not that well known but you should hear how they have determined some Romanian PSLs (semi-automatic rifle with scope) to be machine guns. They apparently have a new rule which could be applied to any semi-auto. The new rule is "Never a machine gun, Always a machine gun" !
What a bunch of worthless bafoons!
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