Shotgun Owners and the Renewal of the Assault Weapon Ban

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Shotgun Owners and the renewal of the Assault Weapon Ban

HR 2038, the new proposal for renewing and expanding the 1994 ban on so-called assault weapons has been introduced in the House of Representatives. Unfortunately it has a bunch of stuff that can and will make ownership of semi-automatic shotguns difficult. For a copy of this bill, please go to http://thomas.loc.gov and do a search for HR 2038.

The shotgun is probably the most ubiquitous firearm in America. However, despite the near-universal use of shotguns for everything from hunting to home defense, to sports such as Skeet and Three Gun, shotguns do not get a pass in the updated version of this bill.

The ban lists a number of shotguns by name, either those that use a rotating cylinder, and of course, the much-maligned Franchi SPAS 12. In addition, a features list is provided for determining which shotguns will be used to determine if a given model is banned.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Note that if the weapon has one of the listed features, it is automatically an assault weapon.

Here’s the real kicker to the whole thing, though: there is an included ‘sporting purposes’ clause. However, it is nowhere near ironclad, and is so open-ended that nearly any firearm could be justifiably banned. The text of the clause reads as follows:

A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'

In other words, just because a particular firearm is suited for a particular sport is no guarantee that it is suited for a particular sport, at least as far as can and will be determined by some lackey working in the AG’s office, who undoubtedly has far more insight into the shooting sports than any of us. If a particular sporting weapon is derived from a military design, then it is considered to be suspect. This could conceivably be extended to include manually operated shotguns as well. After all, pump-action shotguns have been used in many modern military engagements. Interestingly enough, one of the shotguns banned by company and model happens to be the Armscor 30 BG, a pump-action shotgun that holds five rounds. So even though the gun doesn’t even conform to the law’s description of a semi-automatic ‘assault weapon’ it is still a banned firearm.

Of course, the above is only in relation to shotguns and whether or not they are particularly suited to a given sport. As far as one’s right to self-defense and the use of a firearm thereof, you’re out of luck as this law makes the assumption that the only valid reason for possessing a firearm is for competition or hunting.

This bill also has a lot more content that would impact shotgun owners, including making it illegal to sell a weapon designated as an ‘assault weapon’ to another individual (even in state) without going through an FFL. It would also make it illegal for anyone to sell a pre-ban magazine without first filing paperwork with the Attorney General’s office, as well as shifting the burden of proof from the government to the individual over whether a particular magazine in your collection is indeed a pre-ban or an illegal post-ban. While the new magazine restrictions will not really affect those who use shotguns exclusively, it will affect those who also have rifles or pistols.

For more in-depth information, please go to the following link:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23494
 
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Horse Feathers

..."determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes,".

So lets hope the miliary or the alphabet boys have never use a model 11-48, or an 1100...such evil wicked shottys...
there goes the family heirloom...memories of dove, quail , rabbits...pure sheepdip and horse feathers.

Hope the high priced boys and their toys see this...those snobs I shot against and " Its only a shotgun...gun laws don't pertain to me".

Note:
Not all -are snobs that shoot clays, but every group has sheeple, those are whom I direct my , my sarcasm.
 
Shotgunners are a pretty nice bunch of folks, but the apathy exhibited by SOME shotgunners doth cause my gorge to rise.

Folks, the difference between an EBS and Great Grand Dad's venerable Model 12 are not too distinct to folks that know little about guns, including some of the Govt folks who will enforce the laws on the books and also their own agendas.

And the same folks that think their rights are safe without taking much stock of what happens in the corridors of power are living in denial.

Wife's Aunt by marriage was born into a large Jewish family in Berlin, Germany, in 1928. In 1944, she escaped from Birkenau because she was so emeciated she could squeeze between the wire on the electirc fence. She has some good input on what can happen where the government can decide who may possess the means of defence and who may not.

Josh Sugerman, Sarah Brady and Michael Moore don't care if there hasn't been a violent crime in our families for centuries. They want first our guns, and second, control over OUR lives.

Gun control is not about guns, it's about control....
 
Shotgunners are a pretty nice bunch of folks, but the apathy exhibited by SOME shotgunners doth cause my gorge to rise.

You said it Dave!
I live in PA and the laziness of SOME of the hunters and "sportsmen" here is enough to make you want to scream.
We have one of the largest percentage of gunowners in the country and we LOST the last election. It is a crying shame.
I am actually half hopeful that the anti-shotgun stuff stays in the bill and it finally gets the fire lit under the you-know-what's of the you-know-who.
I am so pleased to see that some of the local clubs near me appear to be getting more politcal.
One tiny club I just visited recently has only two prerequisites to join. 1. Be an NRA member. 2. Be registered to vote. This is good news that is hopefully not too little too late.
Here's hoping..............
Mike
 
Good thing I don't have a semi-auto assault shotgun, this new bill doesn't apply to me :rolleyes:

Well, I've sent my "assault" rifles out of state because I refused to register them with the state and now the Feds are going after shotguns with no sporting purpose. Good thing I don't own a semi, don't know where I'd send it.
 
"A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, "

Hmmm, the second section almost looks like it is there to abolish the Saiga's. I can't imagine a shotgun any more built on "military design":cuss:

Also, the list of prohibitions used to allow 1 "evil feature". Now it doesn't allow any?

I'm writing correspondance to the ATF (see my other post to help please) about detachable mag's that hold more than 5 (less than 11) for my Saiga. My research to date tells me that they do not allow tactical games to count as "sporting" events. I guess that makes sense ..... somewhere?


Whyowhyowhyowhyowhyowhyowhyowhyowhyowhy couldn't the founding fathers have spelled out ... "Outlawing guns only allows them for outlaws!" ?: banghead:
 
Please see my post on this exact topic and give me your feedback. The Saiga may be an endangered speicies.
 
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