Shotgun training with Doom

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I've discovered firearms and shooting in the last 18 months and have been having a great time learning. This winter I've discovered the joys of shooting Pepsi with my Mossberg 500. I have no training with shotguns and no experience shooting at clay targets. However I did waste many hours in years past playing Doom, the greatest first person shooter video game. The most used weapon in Doom is a pump shotgun.

I have truly come to believe that the hours spent perfecting my swing and fire skills on video monsters has laid the groundwork for my skills shooting Pepsi.

Am I completely nuts?

AL
 
Bro, is this your pic?

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Don't get me wrong. I loved Doom, and in a nostalgic way continue to do so.

But no.

Just no.

Funny story though, I do think it can cause some subconscious twitches. I first got Doom 3 my last year in high school. Sometimes the special ed section would be escorted around the hallways during class, so there wouldn't be as much traffic, and every time I'd hear one of those kids grunt or moan like the zombies do, my impulse would be to hammer the "CTRL" button.

But yeah, cannot help with any of the firearm disciplines, unless perhaps that game is an ISMT, but even then...
 
Freelance,

"I first got Doom 3 my last year in high school. Sometimes the special ed section would be escorted around the hallways during class, so there wouldn't be as much traffic, and every time I'd hear one of those kids grunt or moan like the zombies do, my impulse would be to hammer the "CTRL" button.


was the funniest thing I've read, in a long time. :D
 
I cut my teeth on all versions of doom. But Ive enough doom shooting to last me a life time.

Shooting a REAL shotgun is a whole another experience and NOTHING like playing doom.

But Nintendo 64 doom was about the very best of the series for me. I could not believe some of the things Ive had to do to get past and win "Finish" that game.

I remember when the local media picked up on the Doom video game. They were basically screaming to all who will hear about this game and how it will turn all of us school kids into Brainwashed game addicted zombie feeding beserkers toting shotguns in the town streets looking for something to blast.

That was a prelude to future video games that would be,,, really something.

I share a little something with you all. It's pretty pathetic really. I play the orginal missile command from Atari on my computer and never can keep the cities past 80,000 points. Always something about that ball being too loose when you hurry up asap to get a missile targeted.

30+ years of that stupid game and never much more an 105 thousand points.

I recall when game stores had little sandwitch bags with a hand printed game description for 10 bux of a game something on a very large floppy way back in the Amiga, C64 days. Just when the IBM 486 was just getting started. The pricing? Whew.
 
I think games improve hand eye coordination.

Which can help. But I think correct training and drills help more.

I have to admit though, I do do very well at skeet, the few times I have gone. As did a friend on his first time out. Maybe it is the games.....
 
I believe they have experimented with the older first person shooters as combat simulators but more for desensitizing to shooting a person than actually improving skills. Notice how the sound tracks are hard metal songs like allot of the guys listen to in Afghan/Iraq while on missions. They do improve hand to eye coordination to a certain extent. Like they say 80% of it is mental.
 
Am I completely nuts?

Namecalling is a no-no on THR, even when it's invited. So I'm not going there.

But I'll tell you what. Go take Louis Awerbuck's basic shotgun class (or Randy Cain or Clint Smith or John Farnam), and then you tell me how much playing some video game compares to hands on training by a world class trainer, and if any realistic comparison is possible between the two. Frankly I think it's an outright joke to make such a suggestion- but find out for yourself why I would say that.

You're in CA- Louis trains a lot now in CA- see http://www.yfainc.com/schedule.html . And Farnam travels a lot too- see http://www.defense-training.com/sched/schedform.html . Randy doesn't seem to get that far west- http://www.randycain.com/schedule.htm . But Mecca is not that far away, if you are willing to make the hajj- http://www.gunsite.net/2009_calendar.html .

lpl
 
I think games improve hand eye coordination.
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I agree with this statement. On the other hand, gaming on a home console can never simulate the majority of the actual shooting experience, such as recoil, body movement, and environmental factors.

Which brings us to:
Frankly I think it's an outright joke to make such a suggestion- but find out for yourself why I would say that.
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To this end, until you can get to a good and proper shotgun class, try shooting at clays that you throw in the air by hand instead of standing around shooting at stationary objects. Better still, try shooting at moving targets (hand thrown clays are fine) while you're in motion.

That's how you'll discover the differences between gaming and real life.
 
I'm going to assume for a few minutes that the OP wasn't joking, because I have a story related to this.

What sparked my interest in guns, specifically handguns, was the game Counterstrike Source. I'd have exceedingly little experience with handguns, and since they guns in the game were supposedly patterned after real weapons, I started to do research to find out more about them and handguns in general. It all kind of spiraled from there.

Now I was pretty good at CS at one time, but my first experience with pistols I SUCKED. No comparison whatsoever.

jm
 
<raises hand>

What is Doom?




<lowers shotgun, correctly mounts shotgun to face for the thirty-fifth time, and only fifteen more to go, to make fifty repetitions of correctly mounting gun to face, as done each day>
 
SM, it was also one of the first PC based video games where you can use a Chainsaw ... GRRRRRRRRRR!!!! with the splattering blood carving up the monsters.

Great stuff of it's day. Cheesy compared to today but it's a classic.
 
Funny story though, I do think it can cause some subconscious twitches.
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I've had the exact opposite happen. Sometimes, when I'm shooting a shotgun in a game, I end up flinching just as I click the mouse. And then my shoulder gets a phantom ache in it...
 
A long time ago, another apartment called the cops due to shotgun fire in our unit when one friend was going over board with DOOM over powerful speakers.

That was one to remember.

BOOM Cha-cklick!

Many feet with boots running up the stairs followed by pounding on the door.

uh, oh. LOL.
 
No, I don't think video games are good firearm training. I was, maybe still am, pretty good at video games. Never noticed improved shooting.
 
I've had the exact opposite happen. Sometimes, when I'm shooting a shotgun in a game, I end up flinching just as I click the mouse. And then my shoulder gets a phantom ache in it...
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Well, I'll be the first to admit I'm kind of a high strung person if that has anything to do with it.

I tried playing Doom 3, but I just couldn't bear the intensity of it.
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Then I don't imagine you'd like F.E.A.R very much either. Another gory PC classic.
 
Am I completely nuts?
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I have to think you are posting in jest but: You really believe video games instill combat capabilities?

So any homebody with slim jims on his breath and calluses on his thumbs can really become the equivalent of a SpecOps warrior by working a video game?

So were the Pepsi cans moving?

Were you moving while shooting?

Did Pepsi cans ever shoot back at you?
 
I see now that I was not clear.

The Pepsi cans were thrown from beside and a little behind me.

I stood in one spot to shoot.

No Pepsi was able to get off a shot but I did see a couple make a move for their guns just before I transformed them into a ball of expanding Pepsi foam. I used #8 shot, 2.5" shotshells. I was shooting in the Nevada desert far from any other people. I carefully picked up all the trash before I left. I used eye and hearing protection.

I took turns throwing and shooting.

Shooting flying Pepsi is far more fun than shooting Pepsi on the ground.:D

I would never suggest that playing Doom is excellent primary shotgun training or that practicing with a real shotgun is not absolutely necessary.

But is it not possible that performing an action in your mind thousands of times such that you can do it without thought and do it well is much better training than having no preparation at all?

Would you deny that painting a fence or waxing a car in a careful, deliberate, repetitive manner is not a training aid to blocking a punch?

Playing Doom is no assistance at all in learning quick and clever shotgun reloading.
 
Aside:

As we speak, the ring tone on my cellular is the knock-off Metallica song they used as background music (in .midi form, no less) for the original DOOM Episode 1, Level 1.
 
Im thinking of uploading a tinkle of brass shotgun rounds as they eject and fly with authority over to the range wall and down to the floor.

THAT will be a tone to get attention I think.
 
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