theken206
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my point exactly, your experiance is far diffrent than mine.
Should 18 Year Olds Be Allowed to CCW?
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Gunnerpalace
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It's called a job.
At 18, most states allow a person to carry a firearm openly (certainly long guns, and often handguns). I don't think flipping their shirttail over the gun will change how they act. This isn't a question of maturity, it's a question of legal semantics. If an 18yo is allowed to carry ANY firearm, he should be allowed to carry it CONCEALED.
theken206
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hehehehehehhehe
22-rimfire
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Yes, it is called a job. 
I'm just grateful that this won't be decided on the Internet. There will probably be a good deal more strum und drang on the topic, but at the end of the day, the CCW age won't change. Thank God.
22-rimfire
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When I was 18, I considered myself pretty mature and disciplined. I would assume that many posting here feel exactly the same way.
As you get a bit older, you realize that you were still pretty immature in terms of decision making, risk taking, and knowledge about how things work. Life is pretty great really as you plod your way through it learning.
As you get a bit older, you realize that you were still pretty immature in terms of decision making, risk taking, and knowledge about how things work. Life is pretty great really as you plod your way through it learning.
Most of the 18 year olds I have seen are not mature enough for such responsibility. Those that are in the military, first go through basic that teaches discipline and responsibility, and even still they fall short. If this were not true, there would not be hookers, strip clubs and pay day loan places just outside most bases.
God bless these boys, but let them grow up a bit first.
God bless these boys, but let them grow up a bit first.
I voted no. My son is 18 and even though he's very bright (academic scholarship to FSU) I wouldn't want him carrying. And he's got some friends that I for sure wouldn't want them carrying. 18 is just too young. Their brain is still scrambled.
So the brady group can say "we don't want concealed carry at all, most of society can't handle that" and then we show them proof that places that allow carry are perfectly safe. Shouldn't you be looking at the places that allow 18 year olds to carry already to see if your fears are justified instead of depriving these adults of their freedoms based on a wild guess?
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As per post #83 are you really willing to post in public that 18-year old Hoosiers are naturally more ethical, moral, mature, smarter, and all around generally better than your son and his friends?
22-rimfire
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Burton; Can't you post something different?
theken206
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as an ex gun toting thug {as some others on here have admitted as well} you some of you guys are so far off on "gangbangers" and the like its not even funny.
fact is is not all people affliated with a gang are not criminals and vise versa.
countless career gun packing criminals have nothing at all to do with any gang in any way shape or form.
whats the saying "thou shalt not assume"
to assume your life is worth more than someone who is in a diffrent social caste or setting than you is ignorant and unamerican IMO.
Assuming someone means you harm or is a bad person based on whether they are "gangbangers" is foolish.
Many of these same men and women are serving our counrty with honor right now as I type.
They have done well pulling themselves up by there boots and have made a change for the better.
Now, being aware of the nature of most bangers, the nature of gangs themselves is one thing, lumping everyone who "reps there hood" or has been enticed into the gang life is another.
one cannot expect change and betterment of a person untill one is willing to understand and except said person as a fellow human being.
fact is is not all people affliated with a gang are not criminals and vise versa.
countless career gun packing criminals have nothing at all to do with any gang in any way shape or form.
whats the saying "thou shalt not assume"
to assume your life is worth more than someone who is in a diffrent social caste or setting than you is ignorant and unamerican IMO.
Assuming someone means you harm or is a bad person based on whether they are "gangbangers" is foolish.
Many of these same men and women are serving our counrty with honor right now as I type.
They have done well pulling themselves up by there boots and have made a change for the better.
Now, being aware of the nature of most bangers, the nature of gangs themselves is one thing, lumping everyone who "reps there hood" or has been enticed into the gang life is another.
one cannot expect change and betterment of a person untill one is willing to understand and except said person as a fellow human being.
jrfoxx
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My guess is that he's waiting for an answer, just like the others who have asked for some evidence of problems in states that already allow 18-20 year olds to carry. He keeps asking since no one has even attempted to offer that evidence, instead people just keep giving the same answer over and over: "18 year olds are too immature".I suspect he'll continue as long as people keep giving the same answer about maturity, without showing evidence it's actually a real world problem, as opposed to simply people's opinion based on feeling, and not fact.
Just because we disagree on an issue, don't throw "your are helping the brady bunch." It is a lame attack. Even the Founding Fathers believed in ages of maturity, otherwise they would not have set the age of the President to be at least 35. If 18 is ok, why not 16, I have seen some very mature 16 year olds.
theken206
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"without showing evidence it's actually a real world problem, as opposed to simply people's opinion based on feeling, and not fact."
hhhhmmmm, im not sure why that sounds familar when it comes to firearms, just cant seem to put my finger on it
hhhhmmmm, im not sure why that sounds familar when it comes to firearms, just cant seem to put my finger on it
22-rimfire
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So if no one can quote and reference "real world" evidence that allowing 18 year olds to carry a handgun that they are not allowed to purchase from a FFL dealer directly causes real harm in terms of crime and so forth.... then 18 year old concealed carry should be the law of the land? So why not 16 year olds? or 12 year olds? No proof....
theken206
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"If 18 is ok, why not 16, I have seen some very mature 16 year olds."
though in some places for some things 16 IS the age of consent, one cannot bleed for ones flag yet, cant vote, buy smokes, get a license without drivers ed and parental permission.
one is still not a legal adult untill 18{though still kind of a second class citizen IMO}
though in some places for some things 16 IS the age of consent, one cannot bleed for ones flag yet, cant vote, buy smokes, get a license without drivers ed and parental permission.
one is still not a legal adult untill 18{though still kind of a second class citizen IMO}
JackBurtonJr
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You find someone who is willing to post a different excuse other than "immaturity" and then I've a reason to post something "different."
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I would personally consider it a "non existant attack" since no one has actually said that.
What is "lame" is posting a strawman argument that no one else has attempted and claiming that someone did.
What has been said is that the arguments against 18 year olds carrying are the very same arguments that the Brady Bunch use against CCW in general.
Do you want to deny that?
And this means what to the argument?
There is hard, factual evidence extending over decades with tens of thousands of 18 year olds in multiple states carrying with no harm to the community. Please tell us what hard, factual evidence you have that 16 years olds can carry with no harm to the community.
If you can produce it... then let's go for it. If you can't produce it... then it makes it a pretty silly argument, eh.
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There is hard, factual evidence extending over decades with tens of thousands of 18 year olds in multiple states carrying with no harm to the community. Please tell us what hard, factual evidence you have that 12 - 16 years olds can carry with no harm to the community.
If you can produce it... then let's go for it. If you can't produce it... then it makes it a pretty silly argument, eh.
KiltedClaymore
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16 sounds good to me. if you can be trusted to wield a 2,000+ weapon with almost unlimited range, why not a 2-3 pound weapon with a few mile range?
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