Should Bloomberg Blame Guns or Criminals for Labor Day Weekend Violence?

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Guns don't go off by themselves. Incompetent, law breaking criminals are the ones behind the trigger.

I posted this in the introduction thread you posted in, but in case you don't make it back there...:

If someone misspells a word, do you blame the pen?
If someone runs a red light, do you blame the car?
Then why, if someone is shot, do we blame the gun?
People kill people, guns are merely a tool. People also kill with hammers, knives, drugs, etc, and we never blame the tool or method. Only with firearms do people blame the tool, which is simply a shame.

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He should be blaming criminals, but like most anti's, he'll blame the inanimate objects for the violence rather than risk offending the delicate sensibilities of people who have none.
 
Bloomberg should ban himself given term limits. He had no business clinging to power for a 3rd term, and now he is shamefully dropping hints about a 4th term as Mayor.
 
This is a disingenuous question. Should he blame the gun? No, of course not. I'm also curious about this easy availability of firearms he's complaining about - most law abiding NYC residents will be quick to tell you how much of a PITA owning a firearm is in that city. If more gun control is needed, as he claims, then why aren't the measures he's already taken having any effect?

Will he continue to blame the gun? Of course. :rolleyes:
 
It's even easier to buy a gun in Charlotte, NC and I don't seem to recall any holiday rampages here.
 
One of the perps killed by cops had a long history of violent acts. Bloomberg should keep his habitual violent felons in jail.
 
Criminals, period. No brainer. Guns are simply one of the tools criminals use. Without the criminal, there is no crime.
 
Last Knight said:
This is a disingenuous question. Should he blame the gun? No, of course not. I'm also curious about this easy availability of firearms he's complaining about - most law abiding NYC residents will be quick to tell you how much of a PITA owning a firearm is in that city. If more gun control is needed, as he claims, then why aren't the measures he's already taken having any effect?

Will he continue to blame the gun? Of course. :rolleyes:
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Well clearly the NYC gun laws are working but those dastardly criminals are bringing in guns from neighboring NYS, New Jersey and Connecticut, states with absolutely no common sense gun laws on the books! Oh wait..........
 
browneu said:
Aren't handguns banned in New York?

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Not from Upstate, but in NYC, yes, for all intents and purposes guns a banned. So are most knives, not to mention slingshots with wrist braces. Perhaps the offenders weren't aware of these bans, and in that case, it's the fault of the school system.
 
Guns are virtually banned in New York City. And yet, they go off with regularity.
 
I bet they all were committed with "full-autos," "assault weapons," "ak47's," "high capacity firearms," etc....what a shmuck, and at the end hes calling for help from the hill for a nation-wide ban, so now are we assuming the guns came from other states???
 
Since January "high capacity magazines" have been replaced by "assault clips" in the anti gun lexicon.
 
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Not from Upstate, but in NYC, yes, for all intents and purposes guns a banned. So are most knives, not to mention slingshots with wrist braces. Perhaps the offenders weren't aware of these bans, and in that case, it's the fault of the school system.
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Then how can he expect the item to be any harder to get. The items are already banned.

I mean in NYC and not upstate.

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I read part of the article, and have a few bits that I picked out:
1. One suspect is 17 years
a. they have a LONG wrap sheet (e.g. felon)
2. Handguns can not be purchased (owned) by a 17 year old in NYC
3. Buying a handgun (legally) is really difficult in NYC

4. The suspect shot the people NOT the gun.
5. By "the availability of guns", leading to violence is the same as equating "males have a penis" thus are rapists... :barf::eek::banghead::what:
 
This type of knee-jerk reaction is not exclusive to firearms. In 2006, when Cory Lidle and his flight instructor crashed a small airplane into an apartment building, the entire East River corridor was closed to small airplane traffic and remains so to this day. This despite the fact that Bloomberg himself is a pilot and should know better. I admire the Mayor for many reasons, but logic is not one of them.
 
Mayor Bloomberg is the Real Gun Criminal

NYC had about 48 shootings with 67 victims by most recent estimates this weekend, and he stupidly used such a travesty as a soapbox to demand tougher gun laws from Washington. Of course, the national "media" seized the opportunity to support his totalitarian agenda.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/0...-a-weekend-trend-or-random-tragedy/?hpt=hp_t2

Best quote: "This is a national problem requiring national leadership," he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. "But at the moment, neither end of Pennsylvania Avenue has the courage to take basic steps that would save lives."

Maybe the FEDS ought to take basic steps to arrest Bloomberg for his ridiculous undercover gun-sting in Arizona.
 
Yes I heard something along those lines about the shootings there. Terrible.
 
A friend of mine had to duck for cover during the West Indian Parade incident, which she swore lasted at least thirty seconds. Terrible is right.
 
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Could you enumerate,Sleazy. I have lots of popcorn ready. :)
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Hahaha. Okay, you got me; I was just being polite!
Seriously, though, when the hurricane hit last week, a reporter tried to give him a black eye by asking him why he didn't evacuate Riker's Island (which has the largest prison population in the world). The reporter was implying that the lives on Riker's did not carry the same value as the lives of those on, say, the Queens or Brooklyn. The Mayor didn't get sucked in, replying that Rikers was in a safe zone and lives were not at risk. What did the reporter want, to have the Mayor release 20.000 prisoners on the honor system to return? His reply was honest and no-nonsense, and I like that.
 
He can't blame the welfare recipients who are to blame for most of the crime in NYC as they hold his chance for re-election. Since any chance of him running for President are dashed for the next election, he HAS to pander to the lowest intelligence group that will help him keep his current job
 
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