Tim the student
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Are you seriously coming on a pro 2A gun forum and asking this?
Should Bloomberg Blame Guns or Criminals for Labor Day Weekend Violence?
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Are you seriously coming on a pro 2A gun forum and asking this?
doc2rn
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DEAD wrote
. There fixed it for ya!
bushmaster1313
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If there were fewer criminals there would be fewer illegal guns in criminal hands.
I supose Bloomjerk will blame crime on guns. His wonderful city sucks so he has to have scape goats to blame.Hell, he sued my state(Virginia) because guns bought here ended up in NY. Maybe we should sue NYC because some of their wierdos ended up in Virginia.
Sav .250
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The Mayor of New York City....... Is not a friend of gun owners! Never has been. Never will be.
sansone
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bloomberg is a total screwball anyway. Look at his track record, he has banned smoking outdoors in the city, he has banned salt at restaurants, he has suggested banning walking outside after 2am..
The keyword is BAN..
why the people keep voting him into office is what troubles me
The keyword is BAN..
why the people keep voting him into office is what troubles me
If I made statements such as the fine mayor makes I would be called crazy.
He is a billionaire therefore such statements are merely eccentric. Money does talk, and speaks loudly. Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity and I venture to say he wouldn't last long in middle America.
He is a billionaire therefore such statements are merely eccentric. Money does talk, and speaks loudly. Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity and I venture to say he wouldn't last long in middle America.
22-rimfire
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The shooting in NV at the IHOP certainly raised my eye brows and I am pro gun. The guy is reported to have no criminal record.
TexasRifleman
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A few posts have been deleted. Please remember, talking about politicians and their actions is one thing, but doing the Repub/Demo, Liberal/Conservative arguments are off limits here.
Well be careful and not take the anti gunner stance here. Being a criminal is not the only disqualifier. This guy has a history of mental illness. Was it reported? If not why not? He very well may have been a prohibited person because of that even with no criminal record.
If that's the case then more gun laws wouldn't have stopped him. That's why it's too early to start the speculation on the NV shooting. Lots of missing info still.
Let's stay on the topic here of Bloomberg being an idiot, there's plenty to discuss there
22-rimfire said:
Well be careful and not take the anti gunner stance here. Being a criminal is not the only disqualifier. This guy has a history of mental illness. Was it reported? If not why not? He very well may have been a prohibited person because of that even with no criminal record.
If that's the case then more gun laws wouldn't have stopped him. That's why it's too early to start the speculation on the NV shooting. Lots of missing info still.
Let's stay on the topic here of Bloomberg being an idiot, there's plenty to discuss there
svaz
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I'm guessing a few ppl who have killed whilst DUI also didn't have criminal records yet no one has suggested banning automobiles; people, not objects, must be held accountable - anything else is emotion, not reason.
But, back to the topic at hand. I'm sure since all guns are evil - and no mere human can be trusted with one - the first to send their firearms to the smelter will be the governor's security detail.
22-rimfire
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Savz, I know all that stuff.... I believe it too.
You aren't going to change Bloomberg's opinions and he uses his resources to encourage other politicians to consider stricter gun laws.
Bloomberg trys to equate what happens in NYC as caused by those other states that have what he would call "lax gun laws". The fact is, all the states have the same gun laws; but some states or cities/counties have more restrictive measures in place that for the most part are ineffective in reducing crime.
A while back it was reported that Obama was going to start pushing new firearm restrictions... then I heard nothing more about it. Perhaps the ATFE and the Justice Department has something to hide that could be construed as an agenda based with "operation fast and furious" or similar operations. That is speculation at this point of course.
You aren't going to change Bloomberg's opinions and he uses his resources to encourage other politicians to consider stricter gun laws.
Bloomberg trys to equate what happens in NYC as caused by those other states that have what he would call "lax gun laws". The fact is, all the states have the same gun laws; but some states or cities/counties have more restrictive measures in place that for the most part are ineffective in reducing crime.
A while back it was reported that Obama was going to start pushing new firearm restrictions... then I heard nothing more about it. Perhaps the ATFE and the Justice Department has something to hide that could be construed as an agenda based with "operation fast and furious" or similar operations. That is speculation at this point of course.
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hermannr
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As strange as it sounds, No, handguns are not banned from NYC.
Even CC is possible (If you contribute enough to the winning political campaign, or are some person of favor,,,usually a good sized contrabution to the right person will do it. In and out in 5 minutes.
Then of course, there are all the criminals that carry, who do not care about laws or politics.
To bastardize a bumper sticker I once saw...
Bloomberg blaming guns for criminal behavior is like Rosie O'Donnell blaming spoons because she's fat. (Or like me blaming my own fatness on said spoons.)
It's all about personal responsibility. You make the CHOICE to do something (drive when drinking, shoot a weapon, eat a double cheeseburger, call for violence on others, etc), than you bear the RESPONSIBILITY of those actions. Simple as that. But then, accepting personal responsibility for ANYTHING is anathema to liberals and Democrats. In their mind, it is ALWAYS someone else's fault, no matter what!
Should be blame it on guns? No way! Will he? Yep. Taken right from page 1 of the liberal handbook.
Bloomberg blaming guns for criminal behavior is like Rosie O'Donnell blaming spoons because she's fat. (Or like me blaming my own fatness on said spoons.)
It's all about personal responsibility. You make the CHOICE to do something (drive when drinking, shoot a weapon, eat a double cheeseburger, call for violence on others, etc), than you bear the RESPONSIBILITY of those actions. Simple as that. But then, accepting personal responsibility for ANYTHING is anathema to liberals and Democrats. In their mind, it is ALWAYS someone else's fault, no matter what!
Should be blame it on guns? No way! Will he? Yep. Taken right from page 1 of the liberal handbook.
PreMod70
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What about last Memorial weekend at the bus station, lucky for everyone they didn't choose to use their firearms.
I mean, what is the problem with this outcome? A violent criminal is killed by cops? Seems like a a good day to me.
Geez, I haven't read the whole story, so I truly hope none of the good guys got hurt. But I never feel bad when they get the bad guy.
Shovelhead
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It's simple....
Guns can't vote to re-elect incumbent politicians,..... criminals do.
Guns can't vote to re-elect incumbent politicians,..... criminals do.
Tim the student
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Sorry, but I can't wonder if everyone got trolled...
mortablunt
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If I take Bloomberg at face value, then I can say these things: "I swear, officer, I didn't want to run over the poor kid- the car made me do it!"
A person does the thing with the tool.
A person does the thing with the tool.
This thread will be closed quickly. I'm sure we're violating a rule. As I understand it, we have to have a specific plan and a specific timetable for specific action to discuss these kinds of topics. It also has nothing to do specifically about guns. It is a general discussion on the foolishness of some politicians. So at the very least it needs to be moved.
Case closed.
Case closed.
berettaprofessor
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Sic Semper Tyrannis.
should he blame guns? Perhaps he should look to his own Police Department. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/police_bullet_eyed_in_mom_slay_ksFwqdY8Y1Pb8DJ1LUTTqK
Carl N. Brown
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Over the years, several news articles I have read about NYC gun laws points out the low number of legal permits to possess or carry, but ended up noting the NYPD (soimetimes ATF) estimated there were two million illegal handguns on the streets of NYC.
I would say it is probably easier for a criminal to get a handgun in NYC than in Charlotte. As the Wright & Rossi analysis of the DOJ felon survey found, most criminals get guns from illegal sources in the first place, even in jurisdictions with what NYC would consider lax laws on legal sales.
friscolatchi
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I few months back I took care of a pt in the ED who was incarcerated for 9 years for illegal possession of firearms. In 1989 he was stopped on his way from VA in NJ on the Jersey Turnpike for a taillight out. He was running 3 handguns, 2 Glocks and a S&W revolver. He had been paid $900 to bring them up from VA, and was given $900 by the 3rd party for the guns. How much did the third party get per gun in 1989? $1k?
I had no reason to question the veracity of his story. He appeared the part. I can understand that Bloomberg's objective is to close the spigot of illegally purchased handguns that end up in NYC, but as posted numerous times above that's not the problem. The problem is the criminal and those who are selling the handguns illegally. There's money in it, just like drugs, or other contraband.
I don't agree with "Hizonner", as I am a legally "authorized" to have and carry a handgun in NY, but not NYC as I would like to, but legally. In this State it appears that the tail, the City, wags the dog.
I read recently that NYC accounts for up to 10 percent of the GNP of the US. I certainly don't want him wagging the rest of you free state citizens. Keep up the pressure on your politicians. I do what I can here in lower NY but it's an uphill effort.
I had no reason to question the veracity of his story. He appeared the part. I can understand that Bloomberg's objective is to close the spigot of illegally purchased handguns that end up in NYC, but as posted numerous times above that's not the problem. The problem is the criminal and those who are selling the handguns illegally. There's money in it, just like drugs, or other contraband.
I don't agree with "Hizonner", as I am a legally "authorized" to have and carry a handgun in NY, but not NYC as I would like to, but legally. In this State it appears that the tail, the City, wags the dog.
I read recently that NYC accounts for up to 10 percent of the GNP of the US. I certainly don't want him wagging the rest of you free state citizens. Keep up the pressure on your politicians. I do what I can here in lower NY but it's an uphill effort.
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